CyclingNews Forum - The Clinic http://forum.cyclingnews.com The Clinic is the only place on Cyclingnews where you can discuss doping-related issues. Ask questions, discuss positives or improvements to procedures. en Wed, 16 May 2012 11:13:52 GMT vBulletin 10 http://forum.cyclingnews.com/images/misc/rss.jpg CyclingNews Forum - The Clinic http://forum.cyclingnews.com turgot whereabouts violations http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17188&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 07:03:27 GMT http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Turgot-menace-par-adams/284194 Felt like doing a daotec cheers jens thread shout... http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-r...r-adams/284194

Felt like doing a daotec

cheers jens

thread shout probably changed to doping violation. i don't know can't read French but guessed what "dopage" meant.

Anyway could have implications for that threas"cleanest" tour thing. that one which proved that only Spanish people dope. ]]> The Clinic The Hitch http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17188 Call for WADA-like approach to corruption in soccer http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17170&goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 16:21:28 GMT "This week, he called for the establishment of an independent, international agency to fight sports corruption — soccer included. And he wants Canadians to lead the way in much the same way as **** Pound championed the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). With Pound as president, that body took drug use in sports by the scruff of the neck and changed forever what had been regarded as an unbreakable culture."
Investigative journalist Declan Hill
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/s...tml?id=6607629 ]]> The Clinic mtb Dad http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17170 New world record service http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17169&goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 16:19:21 GMT Saturday, the ATP made official that during a challenger tournament in South Korea, Australian Samuel Groth (ATP 340) served a world record 263km/h... Saturday, the ATP made official that during a challenger tournament in South Korea, Australian Samuel Groth (ATP 340) served a world record 263km/h serve. This is 12 km/h faster than the previous record (Karlovic, 251).

I think it's strange that such huge steps are taken. Feel free to discuss.

Maybe he only does strength training, he lost 6-3 6-4:D ]]> The Clinic Red Rick http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17169 Stephen Roche 1987 http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17160&goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 16:40:36 GMT So how did Stephen Roche manage to win the Giro and Tour double in 1987. With only eighteen days between the end of the Giro and the start of the... So how did Stephen Roche manage to win the Giro and Tour double in 1987. With only eighteen days between the end of the Giro and the start of the Tour there is no way he would of been any where near fully recovered to perform in the Tour and win it. So the question is what drugs did he take. Oh and lets not forget La Plagne and his remarkable recovery to compete the following day. ]]> The Clinic Stravoski http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17160 Landis the prevaricator http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17146&goto=newpost Sat, 12 May 2012 12:38:02 GMT I cant help but wonder why cycling news is still printing anything that lying scumbag Landis has to offer. He has admitted to lying, was convicted... I cant help but wonder why cycling news is still printing anything that lying scumbag Landis has to offer. He has admitted to lying, was convicted of hacking the afld lab computers and was caught tampering with a witness in the usada case against him when he treatened lemond with disclosure of child abuse history. That si a federal felkony offnese...funny thta usada didnt say anything aobut it...ah the deals people make...fiurther proof of his shining character..He was so remorseful about his doping that he came clean by choosing to offer "further proof" only when armstrong was about to start the tour of california and then again at the tour de france..just coincidence folks...why is this ****** still given any credence or any news coverage? It is sickening... ]]> The Clinic roadfreak44 http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17146 Johan gets served http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17143&goto=newpost Sat, 12 May 2012 03:35:11 GMT As soon as he stepped of the plane The Hog was served

Can't say I didn't tell you.... ]]> The Clinic Race Radio http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17143 Interesting comparison: doping in horse racing http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17139&goto=newpost Fri, 11 May 2012 13:38:48 GMT NY Times story on doping (and overtraining) in horse racing.

Quote:
The racing industry has come to realize that lax regulation and the absence of meaningful punishment have fostered a culture where top trainers with multiple drug violations are more the rule than the exception.
Specifically it focuses on a single trainer, Doug O'Neill, who's had multiple infractions for dosing his horses yet keeps on coming back and keeps on winning. Made me think of the many team doctors in cycling that bounce from team to team, untouchable and almost invisible.

Quote:
[One of the sport's top horse owners who trains with O'Neill] said none of his horses were involved in O’Neill’s drug violations. He said that O’Neill had insisted to him that he does not cheat with his horses, and that he takes the trainer at his word.

“Doug races a lot of horses, and I think the numbers catch up to him,” Reddam said. “I don’t think illegal drugs are rampant in his barn. Horse trainers, like people in all sports, look for whatever edge they can to win. Everyone thinks the other guy is doing something.”
]]> The Clinic filipo http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17139 What can we not detect? http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17133&goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 18:04:46 GMT I was just reading about repoxygen on Wikipedia, and the article said that it wasn't detectable. The most successful drug cheats are often said to be "ahead of the game", taking the newest drugs before they are testable. Ricco famously thought that there was no test for CERA in 2008.

So I was wondering - which other drugs can't be tested for at the moment? ]]> The Clinic Caruut http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17133 Why is Polish so Loved? http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17128&goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 00:42:30 GMT In the Clinic, Armstrong fanboys come and go, but Polish endures, not simply tolerated but recognized as a forum treasure. Why? What’s the secret of... In the Clinic, Armstrong fanboys come and go, but Polish endures, not simply tolerated but recognized as a forum treasure. Why? What’s the secret of his success?

Unlike other highly successful posters, Polish did not show promise at a young age. He was always good in one-day arguments, but was never able to perform in Grand Discussions. But suddenly, there he was, battling with seasoned veterans in the Clinic, day after day, recovering in seemingly miraculous fashion to take each new stage of the topic. How could someone undergo such a dramatic transformation?

Is it because he trains harder than other posters, even typing on the keyboard when he's offline? Is it the laser-like focus of his posts? Perhaps because other fanboys do all the work to bring the subject of discussion up to the last obstacle in the argument, where Polish then cuts loose and drops all his adversaries? Does he use high cadence on the keyboard? Does he have access to banned information that other posters don’t have? Could it be that he has the secret protection of higher-ups in the Clinic, like Hog, RR and Maserati? Is it true that Susan dismissed a forum violation in return for payment? Has he done too much good for too many posters? ]]> The Clinic Merckx index http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17128 Corticoid testing in Dunkerque http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17126&goto=newpost Wed, 09 May 2012 15:06:26 GMT CN´s article mentions corticoid tests, Charteau maybe being positive. Older French rider, and French riders of his generation love this stuff.... CN´s article mentions corticoid tests, Charteau maybe being positive.

Older French rider, and French riders of his generation love this stuff. But as usual, no problem, normally you send your TUE afterwards, and get cleared.

It´s a minor issue. 60-80 percent of the French, and probably other nations, have their TUE, many others take their corticoids from time to time.
Just basic treatment, this corticoids, and Synacthene. The real differences are made by blood infusions and EPO.

Business as usual. Great M.P.C.C. . War against doping by fighting against corticoids. Just like hoping to cure cancer by prescribing vitamin pills. ]]> The Clinic RHRH19861986 http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17126 Retrospective testing http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17122&goto=newpost Tue, 08 May 2012 22:10:26 GMT Hopefully this retrospective testing for 2004 Olympics (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/international-olympic-committee-may-retest-2004-samples)... Hopefully this retrospective testing for 2004 Olympics happens.

If the UCI were serious about deterring doping, they would have a retrospective testing program. ]]> The Clinic I Watch Cycling In July http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17122 ****meister http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17121&goto=newpost Tue, 08 May 2012 16:03:57 GMT What do you think of this guy. (http://pvcycling.wordpress.com/) Personally, although he is unfair to cycling, I think he is funny. What do you think of this guy.

Personally, although he is unfair to cycling, I think he is funny. ]]> The Clinic Andynonomous http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17121 Bad Beef Epidemic http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17117&goto=newpost Tue, 08 May 2012 01:20:21 GMT SF Giants Pitcher Mota suspended today. 2nd PED suspension. ... SF Giants Pitcher Mota suspended today. 2nd PED suspension.

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/n...ews_sf&c_id=sf ]]> The Clinic Don Johnson http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17117 <![CDATA[what's a DOPER, really?]]> http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17115&goto=newpost Mon, 07 May 2012 18:10:37 GMT Does the word "doping" need any classification or modification?

I tend to think of the big dividing line as the differences between the "Stimulant Era" (caffeine, amphetamines, phen phen, etc).

and the "Hormone Era" (Testosterone, HGH, Oxygen vectors such as EPO, CERA, etc). And I think some hormones such as (testosterone) acted as a bridge of sorts.

I think pre 1990's, it's easy to say that many (if not most) pro riders engaged in some form of Stimulant-Era practice. Heck, I remember winning cases of "Up-time" (usually sold to truckers in conveninece stores) at the velodrome as prizes. Riders were always looking for some little-white-lie of an advantage over their peers. A caffeine pill here, some calcium pangamate (B-15) there. Alexi Grewal shoving Chinese endurance pills into his plums (and getting caught), etc.

The Era of HGH, Testosterone, EPO was a huge difference in practice. This was a BIG mental "step-up" from popping stimulants. Big change in performance too.

Of course, the stigma of the one-brand-fits-all... "Dopers" prevents many retired riders from even talking about the stimulant era with more honesty.

So, is a "doper a doper"? ]]> The Clinic BotanyBay http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17115 Contador on Eurosport http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17103&goto=newpost Sun, 06 May 2012 09:18:23 GMT I couldnt quite believe that on British Eurosport we had about an hour run up to the Giro with Senor Contador. Isnt he banned for DOPING !!!! ... I couldnt quite believe that on British Eurosport we had about an hour run up to the Giro with Senor Contador. Isnt he banned for DOPING !!!!

.....and here we have an in depth interview which lets us see how he is spending his time during suspension.

Which other sport would ignore that this is a sportsman banned for doping ??? and yet Eurosport give hime prime spot for the 1st stage of the Giro.

Why is he different from any other rider serving a ban ??? its just more 'cloak and dagger' for the sport and Eurosport cozying up to Senor Contador.

and for ref. i like contador but this doesnt do anything for the sports reputation. If any joe bloggs switched on eurosport - they would say who's this guy then ? 'oh he's banned for doping'. ]]> The Clinic Cycle Chic http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17103