Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[Cookster15]

I can't help liking him. And I like the way he goes about his races, but .... that was hard to come to any conclusion much different from Pidcocks's "What the Fxxk.?"

As an endurance coach (different sport) I'm learning as much as I can at the moment about Ketones and MCTs as I can. They probably do make a difference, but you'd expect pretty much the whole peloton to be across that by now, so, unless Vingo and Pog are particularly adept at using them... there must be something else. Maybe their metabolical flexibility (everyone's is different) is off the scale.

Surely the purported benefits of keytones (sparing glycogen) are more important in stage racing than one day races? Keytones became a popular subject during the reign of Sky.

I do think something is going on at the big teams since 2021 but keytones do not explain what Pog has demonstrated in classics (or Vingo at the TdF). I think keytones are a convenient distraction - look over there !

 

[Mex_17]

The comparisons you are making are only sensible...

Are you making a hypothetical statistical musing, or are you actually proposing that Pogacar might not be the most massive doper in the history of pro cycling? I need to know whether to LOL or not.

 

[masking_agent]

Its too bad that we no longer have a David Walsh like reporter calling he and Mauro out. Also, I find it so hypocritical that Lance and his MOVE podcast never mention anything "doping" pertaining to their race reviews.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Surely the purported benefits of keytones (sparing glycogen) are more important in stage racing than one day races? Keytones became a popular subject during the reign of Sky.

I do think something is going on at the big teams since 2021 but keytones do not explain what Pog has demonstrated in classics (or Vingo at the TdF). I think keytones are a convenient distraction - look over there !

Saving glycogen matters in any form of hard races. Actually long one-day races alongside with hard mountain stages are situations when it's needed most.

 

[scribers]

Its too bad that we no longer have a David Walsh like reporter calling he and Mauro out. Also, I find it so hypocritical that Lance and his MOVE podcast never mention anything "doping" pertaining to their race reviews.

They have made suggestive comments many times, but always turn away from being explicit because they probably have not much of a clue of what is going on in the peloton. I tend to believe Bruyneel does know and stays away from it. Lance comes across of as not really wanting to know. He'd rather watch golf than a race.

 

[gregrowlerson]

It's like this is the chain of events ...

Evenepoel decides, let's drop the hammer and win from a distance. Make a statement.

Vingegaard says, hold my drink (cup of milk or somethin') ... gonna make a statement in this next race.

Pogačar says hold my drink ...

Roglic says, you influencers are not going to influence me (though a TTT might)...

 

[red_flanders]

Its too bad that we no longer have a David Walsh like reporter calling he and Mauro out. Also, I find it so hypocritical that Lance and his MOVE podcast never mention anything "doping" pertaining to their race reviews.

David Walsh the Sky apologist? I'd rather have the silence we have now, thanks.

I think Lance realizes no one wants to hear him comment on doping. They allude to it however, and then quickly move off the topic. He's just not going there.

 

[Ripper]

Teddy and his single nemesis are so cranked up compared to the rest it's laughable.

Easy to put on the demonstrations of prowess when you are that far ahead. Teddy just has the charisma advantage

 

[Ripper]

Doing everything awesome is the new specialization.

As long as you're friends with everyone it's all good, right?

 

[pastronef]

Doing everything awesome is the new specialization.

As long as you're friends with everyone it's all good, right?

if Matxin was that magician everybody says he is, he'd have Jumboed the Cipressa, instead of having the team fade

 

[Ripper]

if Matxin was that magician everybody says he is, he'd have Jumboed the Cipressa, instead of having the team fade

LOL. Matxin is definitely not all that, is he? But everyone is pretty dang fast, and MSR is just not selective in terms of gradients. If there were some sharp climbs at the end it would be frightening to see the Z2 dude destroy everyone.

Puncheur? Rouleur? Sprinter? Climber? Time trial specialist? GT focused? 1 week races? Classics? One peak or all year long? How about all of the above

 

[hrotha]

LOL. Matxin is definitely not all that, is he?

Matxin is all that. Others, also all that and more

 

[Extinction]

LOL. Matxin is definitely not all that, is he? But everyone is pretty dang fast, and MSR is just not selective in terms of gradients. If there were some sharp climbs at the end it would be frightening to see the Z2 dude destroy everyone.

Puncheur? Rouleur? Sprinter? Climber? Time trial specialist? GT focused? 1 week races? Classics? One peak or all year long? How about all of the above

He hasn't yet pulled out the defixiones, vodoo magic. Yet.

 

[Ripper]

Is he in the big ring?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

He.Wasn't.Even.Breathing.Hard.

 

[noob]

Is he in the big ring?

The difference between Almeida PN and this is just as astounding

 

[fbjim]

Folks we all love Big Tad and the Slovene Sauce.

 

[fbjim]

Doing everything awesome is the new specialization.

As long as you're friends with everyone it's all good, right?

I mean, yeah. That's how Indurain did it- if you want your reputation to be good even if basically nobody actually thinks you were squeaky clean, it's best to just be the guy everyone likes and nobody wants to speak out against.

 

[Ripper]

He.Wasn't.Even.Breathing.Hard.

If it were less miserable he would have been smiling and joking more with the camera crew while he rode 1 to 3 km/hr faster than everyone behind him.

All cruise control. Don't you love the maxed out look of everyone behind him?

I wonder how many minutes he will win by the end.

 

[Ripper]

With the specialization and targeting of races that now takes place, this is pretty laughable stuff.

Good trolling material though!

 

[Netserk]

I think this is excellent. It gives license to Vingegaard to go pedal to the metal as well. As long as it's not one rider/team that dominates, they can keep going faster and faster.

 

[noob]

I think this is excellent. It gives license to Vingegaard to go pedal to the metal as well. As long as it's not one rider/team that dominates, they can keep going faster and faster.

in a cynical way I agree. A pity for the teams that can't afford the programs though.

 

[Extinction]

Maxtin better tone it down a bit or else the vultures shall smell the carcass.

 

[Netserk]

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VALLTER 2000 (last 11.16 km, 7.69 %, 858 m)

Pogi: 30'01", VAM = 1715 m/h, 6.19 W/kg [Dr.F.]. Finish at 2135 m.

Solid, but depending on how much you think the rain slowed him down, in line with other elite performances of last year.

 

[Ripper]

Anything you can do, I can do better. I can do everything, better than you ...

I can climb

I can time trial

I can sprint

I can tolerate cold rain

I supposedly can now tolerate heat

Long distance, or short distance, neither are a problem for me

Stage races or classics, all works for me

Peaking? Who needs to peak when you can ride everyone off your wheel all year long

I also need to make sure I'm extra nice, so that way I can beat the fisherman in the charisma game