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Old 11-03-12, 13:25
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It does seem strange that Kimmage (Rough Ride) so readily mentions amphetamines, etc, in jersey pockets or in hotel rooms, yet excludes all mention of the blood doping you claim was going on.
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Old 11-03-12, 13:28
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Check my posts before calling me a fan too, btw. I'm happy to kick any tyre, and pedestalise none.
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Old 11-03-12, 13:55
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This is funny - good entertainment with the Albatros.

My (worthless) contribution as a total neophyte, knowing absolutely nothing about the science or much technically about cycling at all:

If Greg LeMond is lying in the interviews and lectures I've watched posted up on Youtube etc. then he's the best actor in history.

The gut exudes total integrity & honesty to me & seems a totally "standup' guy.

Worthless I know, but all the evidence I need. And being American and all, if Travis & the USADA guys had a whiff of suspicion of him surely they'd be on his case without mercy too?

Come on Albatros - there's more to go on than the speculation you've been spouting.
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Old 11-03-12, 14:36
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Hinault didn't want to pass an antidoping test. Hinault defended the use of fortifiers (euphemistic term for doping). He is old school, he tells you he doped without saying so.

Or do you need him to win clean to give credibility to your boy? Sorry, your boy is on the same page as the rest. The difference is that your boy is an attention ***** who can not come to terms that he cheated like the rest.
Are you now abandoning your blood doping theory?
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Old 11-03-12, 15:22
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I have asked you fanboys to provide a single reason for not blood doping in the 80's . Just one. Of course nobody comes with any.

You don't need to have evidence to know certain things are happening. They are just logically happening.

I can even change the question. Why is it that it took 30 years to doping doctors to realise that blood doping could work in cycling too, when work by Conconi and others had proven that it was an important boost in endurance sports and moreover, undetectable.
Well other than the difficulty in handling and storing the blood (made much easier these days, with much better and smaller refrigeration equipment) there is the single overwhelming fact that without EPO the athlete spends too much time in a weakened state after giving blood. Either they can't give enough over the course of the year or they can't train and race hard enough. Also in the 80's nobody could afford to race only one race a year, they raced hard all season, no time to donate and much too much demand for blood bags. Merckx would have needed 20 BBs to have the kind of seasons he had if he was blood doping to win.
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Old 11-03-12, 16:41
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Hinault didn't want to pass an antidoping test. Hinault defended the use of fortifiers (euphemistic term for doping). He is old school, he tells you he doped without saying so.

Or do you need him to win clean to give credibility to your boy? Sorry, your boy is on the same page as the rest. The difference is that your boy is an attention ***** who can not come to terms that he cheated like the rest.

This is all hearsay, you still havent posted ANY proof of which you've been asked about(this will be 7 times alone for Hinault-still having trouble finding something on Lemond?), if you have said proof, please post it.
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Are you now abandoning your blood doping theory?
I believe he is.....his M.O. is to just babble on about stuff he has no more knowledge of than amyone else here. He's been called out numerous times by various posters asking for said proof to back up anything he's said, and as of this moment, still hasn't. Yet, he wonders why no one here takes anything he says serious. I'm done asking him, as I know he just doesn't have any proof on ANYTHING he's said here.
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I believe he is.....his M.O. is to just babble on about stuff he has no more knowledge of than amyone else here.
And how is this any different to what you do here?
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And how is this any different to what you do here?
Well, Im not coming on here, claiming daily that so and so definitely doped, then provide no proof of it. Im simply asking him(as others have, as they too wonder where he's getting his info from, make such ridiculous claims) to provide the necassary documentation that backs up his claims. I would just like to have the proof either way posted, so we can all read it and go forth. Asking for him to post proof is in no way similar to what he's doing. I don't come on here claiming Lance doped, we all know he has because of years of denial, and evidence thats been released through the years.

Albatros also seemed to allude to him being some sort of pro rider, as he's gone on at length to describe supposed inter mertings he(and only he apparently) was privy to back in the day. I've also asked him to please post any evidence back up that claim as well, and he has not. Go back and look through this thread, MANY here have questioned his statements. I see nothing wrong with him posting the info requested.
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Old 11-03-12, 21:48
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As was mentioned the technology available at the time in the 1980's to facilitate blood doping was pretty much nonexistent. Think about this as it puts it all in perspective at least to me. Greg Lemond mentioned once about how they used to sleep in the hallways on hot nights as alot of the hotels in the Tour did not even have air conditioning.
Now in hindsight someone believes that although riders were suffering with a lack of air conditioning , that somehow they magically had the capability to properly refrigerate blood.

Even today those little dorm room refrigerators you find in hotels would not be able to store blood as they have too large of temperature swing. I know this from personal experience with insulin.

However we are supposed to believe that hotels that did not even have air at the time would magically have medical grade refrigerators in each room.
Or maybe the teams carried their own from hotel to hotel with a really long extension cord.
that must be it!
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