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Old 11-04-12, 14:08
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The only other pro sport I can comment on, funnily enough, is golf.
Its not uncommon, if there is a play off to decide the winner, that they agree amongst themselves to split the prize money. It makes the pain of loosing more bearable.
However, they all still try their best to win, as far as I know!
I think Vino would have won LBL anyway, and its as much an indication of the guy who was going to come second looking for some insurance.
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Old 11-04-12, 14:18
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The "it's always been a part of cycling" argument is so weak.
Depends on what you're arguing.

If you're arguing about the morality of the winner paying of number two, then yes, it is a weak argument.

If you're arguing that Vino is simply acting within the (unwritten) rules of cycling history and isn't ultimate evil for paying Kolobnev, then no, it isn't a weak argument.
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Old 11-04-12, 14:25
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Vino is a typical sport cheat: doesn't care about anything, any damage to the sport so long as he wins.
Sounds like Vino is your basic sportsman then. Because they all have that killer instinct that makes them want to win no matter what. That instinct is what makes them that good.

Also a money transaction isn't proof of anything in this case. It is quite common to split price money with the one coming second. It is close to impossible to proof Vino bought the win, unless Kolobnev speaks out, but we all know he won't. I just don't see what other proof there might be.
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Old 11-04-12, 15:05
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Sounds like Vino is your basic sportsman then. Because they all have that killer instinct that makes them want to win no matter what. That instinct is what makes them that good.

Also a money transaction isn't proof of anything in this case. It is quite common to split price money with the one coming second. It is close to impossible to proof Vino bought the win, unless Kolobnev speaks out, but we all know he won't. I just don't see what other proof there might be.
exactly.
still vino should never go again at two meters of a laptop or phone.
definitely his fault that a gentlemen agreement was made public. also it's hilarious how italian prosecutors chase cyclists,what's next will they arrest someone because they stay behind a car too long? ridiculous.

anyway, vino....inbox, ctrl a+ delete ....c'mon is not that fuccin difficult...poor kolo i think lost some sleep these last two years
the part where vino owns even his wife admiration is just precious. vino is a boss.

helluva race that was

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Old 11-04-12, 15:24
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exactly.
still vino should never go again at two meters of a laptop or phone.
definitely his fault that a gentlemen agreement was made public. also it's hilarious how italian prosecutors chase cyclists,what's next will they arrest someone because they stay behind a car too long? ridiculous.

anyway, vino....inbox, ctrl a+ delete ....c'mon is not that fuccin difficult...poor kolo i think lost some sleep these last two years
the part where vino owns even his wife admiration is just precious. vino is a boss.

helluva race that was

I like the way you put it Jensie..
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Old 11-04-12, 16:21
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Things like these are in the nature of cycling itself: when two ryders are away to avoid one of them stop pulling you make this kind of agreement, so that the supposedly weaker ryder has an incentive to help and the breakaway has a chance to stay away. I don't see anything wrong with it, convercely i think that this dealing within the race is one of the many aspect that make cycling particularly fun to watch: because when you're analyzing a race situation you don't have to take into account only pure strenght but also tactics, possible alliances, and even agreement.
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Old 11-04-12, 17:25
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2. He is not a "hero" because he is this perfect superhuman (he is only superhuman), but because he is 10 times more entertaining to watch ride than the whole peloton put togheter.
Just because he is entertaining to watch excuses him from doing any wrong then?

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Also a money transaction isn't proof of anything in this case. It is quite common to split price money with the one coming second. It is close to impossible to proof Vino bought the win, unless Kolobnev speaks out, but we all know he won't. I just don't see what other proof there might be.
The proof is the emails that have been published
Kolobnevs emails to vino-
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“I don’t know if I did the right thing. I didn’t do it for the contract (money) but out of respect for you and for the situation you were in.

“Even my wife was disappointed I finished second.”
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“Now I’m waiting patiently. Take my details and delete this email.”
Vino's reply-
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“Hi Kolobok, I’m sorry I didn’t answer you earlier. Don’t worry, you did the right thing. …

“You said yourself that what goes around comes around and God sees everything.

“I will respect our deal. You’ll have to wait a while. Vino.”
From the emails I could definitely see how one could get the impression that vino payed Kolobnev. Kolobnev saying he wasn't sure if he did the right thing could indicate he wasn't sure about taking the money to lose to Vino. I don't think he would be unsure that if working with Vino to stay away was the right thing.

Then Vino saying he will respect their deal also sounds a lot like they made a deal for Vino to win. Vino saying this could just mean that it was a deal for them to work together, but one would think the chance of winning Liege-Bastogne-Liege would be enough to make Kolobnev work with Vino.
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Old 11-04-12, 17:45
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next they should investigate andy schleck's bank account movements searching for a transfer Dries Devenyns, i bet they will find something.
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Old 11-04-12, 17:56
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The Vino brigade, please tell me how this isn't indicative of Vino paying Kolobnev to lose:

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"Do you remember well, I had a good chance…” Kolobnev allegedly wrote on April 26th 2010, the day after the race. “Even my wife was disappointed that I finished second… Now I’m waiting patiently…”
Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13...#ixzz2BHHZpOGx
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Old 11-04-12, 17:59
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From the emails I could definitely see how one could get the impression that vino payed Kolobnev. Kolobnev saying he wasn't sure if he did the right thing could indicate he wasn't sure about taking the money to lose to Vino. I don't think he would be unsure that if working with Vino to stay away was the right thing.

Then Vino saying he will respect their deal also sounds a lot like they made a deal for Vino to win. Vino saying this could just mean that it was a deal for them to work together, but one would think the chance of winning Liege-Bastogne-Liege would be enough to make Kolobnev work with Vino.
Sure that is how it looks like, but there is no definite proof. Because it indeed can also mean the agreement to work together. Kolobnev could have decided to stay in Vino's wheel instead, possible ending the breakaway, but increasing his own win chances. If this is all there is, the judge will just laugh and continue to a more important case. As long as Vino and Kolobnev keep their story straight, there is nothing that will stick in court.
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