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Old 11-06-12, 09:11
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I agree a high protein diet works for some individuals. Namely members of the vulture and hyena family.

Seriously elapid, do you know any human cultures that are THRIVING on a high protein diet? I don't. ALL the longest lived cultures of humans on earth THRIVED on a high carb low protein, low fat diet.

Even the Okiniwans..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BopvnXsqV0k

I appreciate you watched Gregors presentation though. Hopefully it planted some seeds for you to think about.
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Old 11-07-12, 23:54
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I agree a high protein diet works for some individuals. Namely members of the vulture and hyena family.

Seriously elapid, do you know any human cultures that are THRIVING on a high protein diet? I don't. ALL the longest lived cultures of humans on earth THRIVED on a high carb low protein, low fat diet.
Again, are we talking weight loss or general diets? This is just a sample of the numerous articles published on the beneficial effects of a high protein/low carbohydrate diet for weight loss. Not individuals, not vultures, not hyenas, but large groups of people (and also highlights that your view on diet and nutrition is predjudicely myopic and intentionally influenced by your agenda).

Clifton P: Effects of high protein diet on body weight and comorbidities associated with obesity. Br J Nutr 108 suppl 2:S122-S129, 2102.

High protein diets are associated with greater satiety and in some studies are associated with greater weight loss compared with high carbohydrate diets especially in an ad libitum design. These diets also lower plasma triglyceride and blood pressure and sometimes spare lean mass. There appear to be no harmful effects of high protein diets on bone density or renal function in weight loss studies.

McCarty MF: The origins of western obesity: a role for animal protein? Med Hypotheses 54:488-494, 2000.

Although dietary protein by itself provokes relatively little insulin release, it can markedly potentiate the insulin response to co-ingested carbohydrate; Western meals typically unite starchy foods with an animal protein-based main course. Thus, postprandial insulin secretion may be reduced by either avoiding animal protein, or segregating it in low-carbohydrate meals; ...

Soenen S, et al: Relatively high-protein or 'low-carb' energy-restricted diets for body weight loss and body weight maintenance? Physiol Behav 107:374-380, 2012.

Body-weight loss and weight-maintenance depends on the high-protein, but not on the 'low-carb' component of the diet, while it is unrelated to the concomitant fat-content of the diet.

Keller U: Dietary proteins in obesity and in diabetes. Int J Vitam Nutr Res 81:125-133, 2011.

Protein ingestion results in higher ratings of satiety than equicaloric amounts of carbohydrates or fat. Their effect on satiety is mainly due to oxidation of amino acids fed in excess; this effect is higher with ingestion of specific "incomplete" proteins (vegetal) than with animal proteins. Diet-induced thermogenesis is higher for proteins than for other macronutrients. The increase in energy expenditure is caused by protein and urea synthesis and by gluconeogenesis. This effect is higher with animal proteins containing larger amounts of essential amino acids than with vegetable proteins. Specifically, diet-induced thermogenesis increases after protein ingestion by 20 - 30 %, but by only 5 - 10 % after carbohydrates and 0 - 5 % after ingestion of fat.

Nordmann AJ, et al: Effects of low-carbohydrate vs low-fat diets on weight loss and cardiovascular risk factors: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials. Arch Intern Med 166:285-293, 2006.

After 6 months, individuals assigned to low-carbohydrate diets had lost more weight than individuals randomized to low-fat diets. Triglyceride and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol values changed more favorably in individuals assigned to low-carbohydrate diets and for high-density lipoprotein cholesterol.
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Not to sound rude Elapid but how come Im leaner than you if your high protein diet is so healthy and lean body inducing? Same with my GF. How come she leaned right up once she got off the crazy training volume and animal protein diet?





I did 2 videos about why the high protein high fat low carb gurus are overweight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L10cNeABbA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9OhUwrPob0

Interesting stuff.

My Mum is overweight. She eats high protein diet and thinks carbs make you fat. Then she says Im too thin and need to eat more protein and fat.

face palm.

When will people wake up to the truth??
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Old 11-17-12, 12:00
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Not to sound rude Elapid but how come Im leaner than you if your high protein diet is so healthy and lean body inducing? Same with my GF. How come she leaned right up once she got off the crazy training volume and animal protein diet?

I did 2 videos about why the high protein high fat low carb gurus are overweight.

My Mum is overweight. She eats high protein diet and thinks carbs make you fat. Then she says Im too thin and need to eat more protein and fat.

When will people wake up to the truth??
There you go again DR. I give you scientific studies and you refute these with four people who you either know or know of. I know you find it hard to understand that the world doesn't revolve around you, but posting your own videos and about four people that you know or know of who are supposedly fat does not trump all the scientific studies showing the positive effects of high protein diets in weight loss, and explaining the reasons why they work. In fact, the opposite is true and it just makes you look more pathetic.

I know fat vegans and I know fat vegetarians. Does that mean that these diets make you fat?

Why don't you post a photo of your Mum? I'll bet that she looks quite normal. Your Mum is right you know - you are bordering on eating disorder-ish skinny. This is not normal. Your GF, before enhancement and veganism, was normal looking.

I think people always known the truth - you're too egotistical to see past your own shortcomings and people will chose what is right for them (like your Mum) and not what some zealot on an internet forum wants them to do.
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Not to sound rude Elapid but how come Im leaner than you ..... Same with my GF.
Once again, I'm going to ask you HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Have you met Elapid in person? Have you seen photos of him? For all you know he has a similar physique to you and is able to refute your claims with first hand experience.

Once again I'll assume that you won't answer this question with anything other than more photos of yourself

As I and others have said before - let your hat size drop a little, pull your head ou of your backside and ENGAGE in discussion and you might get more converts and less of this:

http://30bananasadaysucks.com/

And I'll get in early and say that a lot of the posters there are vegan as well.
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Once again, I'm going to ask you HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Have you met Elapid in person? Have you seen photos of him? For all you know he has a similar physique to you and is able to refute your claims with first hand experience.

Once again I'll assume that you won't answer this question with anything other than more photos of yourself

As I and others have said before - let your hat size drop a little, pull your head ou of your backside and ENGAGE in discussion and you might get more converts and less of this:

http://30bananasadaysucks.com/

And I'll get in early and say that a lot of the posters there are vegan as well.
1. Elapid aint as lean as me. He didnt refute nothing. I gave him a list of books containing clinically published studies proving heart disease, type 2 diabetes and cancer reversal but he ignored em. The authors are Dr Esselstyn, Dr Neil Barnard and Dr Gerson.

2. That site 30bananasadaysucks, ran by the pro hacker guy (Sean) tried to extort money from us. He is a convicted hacker. Ive had my mac key logged via that site so watch your stuff there. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/co...ol-theft_x.htm

'most of the posters are vegan'..lol! Most of the posters there are the same person posing as 5 different posters. I don't take to srsly any crap I read on the net with some weird avitar photo and name. I don't listen to snakes or carrots when it comes to health advice. Nor pro riders with weird gear ratios.
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Elapid, you quoted Peter Clifton LOL! The dude critiqued my diet on national TV a few months ago and gave it the thumbs up. He has also came out this year going against the CSIRO diet book he helped publish.

Its good to check your facts before you stand behind em.

Here he is in this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s250objJpWg
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Around and around we go. Don't come to this debate with anecdotes, videos created by you, and all your other rubbish. You advise me to check my facts - 1. I do, and 2. At least I have facts rather than "my Mum's fat and my GF's not".

I don't want to look as lean as you because I don't want to look like I have an eating disorder. I'm comfortable in my own skin, you're obviously not because you continuously have to come on here trying to prove something. Whoopy doo, real convincing DR.

I don't give two hoots about your diet. We have been debating whether high protein/low processed carbohydrate diets work for weight loss. They do. Proven. End of story.

We have NOT been discussing you, your diet or anything else revolving around you. Get over it - people really are not that interested in you.
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Sorry, vegans: Eating meat and cooking food is how humans got their big brains

"...It would have been biologically implausible for humans to evolve such a large brain on a raw, vegan diet and that meat-eating was a crucial element of human evolution at least a million years before the dawn of humankind...."



Vegetarianism (and, moreso, veganism) is stepping off the evolutionary train. Maybe you don't care but your microcephalic g-g-g-grandchildren will. Or maybe they won't, being as they're microcephalic.
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Vegetarianism (and, moreso, veganism) is stepping off the evolutionary train. Maybe you don't care but your microcephalic g-g-g-grandchildren will. Or maybe they won't, being as they're microcephalic.
You seem to be confusing the discredited Lamarck's Theory with Natural Selection. Human brains will only reduce in size through successive generations if there is a mutation and a subsequent natural advantage to having a smaller brain over a larger brain. Highly unlikely at this point don't you think? Eating vegetables doesn't make your brain smaller. You seem to have missed the point of the article you quoted. Hmmm.
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