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Old 11-07-12, 13:58
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Meanwhile, a Norwegian high-tech graphics firm also emerged once again as a big winner in the US election. Bergen-based Vizrt already can include broadcasting outlets such as CNN and Fox News among its customers, and newspaper Dagens Næringsliv (DN) reported Wednesday that more orders are rolling in.

Vizrt is behind the ground-breaking graphics used by CNN, for example, to report everything from state-by-state voting trends to the most recent election results as they broke. CNN officials were clearly pleased, telling DN that “all the technology works, all the graphics work,” even after the US’ East Coast was hit by Hurricane Sandy, which destroyed a lot of communications infrastructure.

Vizrt was founded in 1997 by Norway’s first commercial nationwide TV channel, TV2, and stocklisted in 2005. Today it has around 600 employees and customers in more than 100 countries including BBC, Sky, NHK of Japan, and CBS.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/11/...atulate-obama/

I watched CNN and I thought their graphics and presentation was great.
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Old 11-07-12, 14:23
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Really? He sounded like a stereotypical politician to me. Glad to see America is safe from this guy.
Do you actually believe that Obama is not a "typical politician"? He is worst of that breed.

I am most curious what he will do for the next four years since he has done nothing but campaign for the last 4.

A complete waste of a good suit.
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Old 11-07-12, 14:32
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So we read in their slogan that the republican party is "ready to take the country with the second amendment," that is by force of arms if necessary.

The presaging trouble of such ominous republican threats, is only surpassed by the mendacity of their claims: for example, that Obama is a socialist. Obama is not a socialist (were that he would be though, to fix public education and provide Americans with real national healthcare). In fact, he is even more to the right than was Clinton.

They don't have to worry much consequently, because nothing will change: Obama won't transform America into a socialist state, while the US will continue to assert its global hegemony by force of arms when opportunity presents itself, even without Romney's hard-line rhetoric. So all the troubled right-wing souls for nothing.

If anything this is a sign of how the vitriol of political hate, which mostly the conservatives have interjected into the political discourse and which had polarized this presidential campaign as never before, transforming it into a quasi-civil war; is indicative of just how ideological the fanatical right-wing has become. Their paranoia for socialism and ideological worldview has even blinded them to the true causes behind the reality of growing inequality between rich, middle class and poor; which has not been due to anti-liberal economic policies. The decline in solidarity and civil unrest has, to the contrary, resulted from myopic liberal and deregulatory market policies both parties supported, though which their party has particularly championed since Reagan. Just as their objective of radical privatization, which is anti-social in theory, has been the root cause of the degradation of the most important institution: public schools. The socialization of private debt and the privatization of communal wealth, medical care, education at all levels also stems from such ideology. The bipartisan pact of undeclared (and hence illegal) perpetual war and the militarization of a country, which spends over $ 600 billion per annum on arming itself (Romney said he would have increased it), almost more than the rest of the planet combined, while it can't even provide healthcare to its citizens doesn’t phase them.

The republicans distort and bend reality to suit their own egotistical agenda and raise issues - and this going back to Nixon who first introduced them into his 68 campaign - of religion, race, sexuality and identity, as a means to establish what the "true" America is, against that which it is not according to their highly finite and restricted characterization. Other than Obama the socialist as being dangerous to the country. These ignorant loons and the ideologues who hold sway over them, have embraced a type of ideological and religious fanaticism that, if not kept in check, might quite possibly lead America along the path to fascism. Even if it’s not called by that name, or is indeed called by something else. Hence there would be less individual rights, more strictures, more religious fervor in politics, more bellicosity, more concentrated wealth, less general well-being, greater poverty and above all less civility.

They have voted “against” not "for," so it is claimed. Yet the one who they voted against in reality won’t change America much at all, has but continued with his predecessor’s interventionist adventures abroad and public recapitalization of the great financial banks at home. Sure Iraq was concluded and Osama was killed, but these were somewhat forgone conclusions anyway, while the experts say we’re only at the halfway point of a 20 year war cycle that Obama has in reality done nothing to arrest. The clearest sign of this was his signing the NDAA.

The real game at stake today is, therefore, American society itself. Though just because Obama won, doesn't necessarily mean that the country will be placated or that civility has championed over the Far West of radical individualism. To the contrary perhaps the discontented zealots may now be stirred to protest more forcibly, or even revert to cases of violence when legal manifestations are not viewed as strong enough demonstrations of their hate and rage.

When I look at the electoral map I notice a dearth of blue states and an abundance of red ones; which basically means that the belly of America, that is not its brain but its inner guts; feels, acts and thinks as if Obama were a foreign born usurper of the Muslim faith, who will lead the country down the path of evil Euro social democracy. This America, which basically means most states, can't be reasoned with, least of all civically enlightened. That he is none of these things, of course, and the fact that the people in such states haven't a clue about what social democracy really is (that it, for example, is not in conflict with free market capitalism), or what it’s aims and principles are; is literally of no consequence to them. Such folks don't care to know reality, but only what both the precepts of their conservative ideology and tenants of their faith have told them what they should think reality is like.

If they were told the world is flat and that dinosaurs walked the earth with early man just 6000 years ago, when God created the world, they would believe that too. In some cases they already have.

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Old 11-07-12, 14:39
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Fox Freakout: Rove Disputes Call for Obama in Ohio, Pundits Scramble (long version, watch both videos)
absolutely priceless!
Seems Fox news is confused. Act like the news channel it claims to be, or act like the Republican propaganda department.

Seems they tried for a compromise this time.
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Old 11-07-12, 14:44
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John Boehner has stated that the Repubs in the House won't raise taxes 1 dollar, no matter what. So, we're right back where we started.

Eight years ago at this time Bush stated that the American people had given him a mandate. With that he was able to use a lot of political insider maneuvering, and key speeches to get a lot of conservative legislation through a fairly divided Congress. Sixteen years ago Clinton did similar, but made great use of the bully pulpit to connect with people and pressure Congress.

So far we have never seen Obama rise to that level, but if he ever had it in him to step up and do so, now is the time, for the next six months will mean everything to his presidency, and legacy.
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Do you actually believe that Obama is not a "typical politician"? He is worst of that breed.

I am most curious what he will do for the next four years since he has done nothing but campaign for the last 4.

A complete waste of a good suit.
Obama is not your typical politician, he's the best of the 2 evils. At least the US has someone that defends the cultural and ethnical minorities and does not use religion as his shield.
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... and that's not all. I predict in 4 years US debt surpasses at least 20 trillion, and headed the way of Greece. Unless the parties decide to work together.
i can't tell if this is snark or you really don't understand the difference between the two countries. greece cannot print their own currency, the US can. greece, before it joined the euro actually had a higher debt-to-GDP ratio than it does now, but there was no talk of any fiscal cliff. the reason is that greece could print money that its banks and government could use.

take the time to learn the intricacies of a fiat currency and you will see that america's fiscal situation is nowhere near as dire as the conventional wisdom would have you believe. two good places to start are the non-partisan new economic perspectives and the wikipedia page on conservative milton friedman's work in monetarism.
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Old 11-07-12, 15:15
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Obama is not your typical politician, he's the best of the 2 evils. At least the US has someone that defends the cultural and ethnical minorities and does not use religion as his shield.
There is only one thing in your post I agree with

Obama is not a typical politician, he is worst of breed.
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There is only one thing in your post I agree with

Obama is not a typical politician, he is worst of breed.
worst of breed??

dafuq is that?

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... and that's not all. I predict in 4 years US debt surpasses at least 20 trillion, and headed the way of Greece. Unless the parties decide to work together.
Can people please stop with this Greece thing? It's a right-wing myth created to scare voters. It doesn't exist. The deficit/debt is a problem, but we are not going the way of Greece.
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