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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2013 Tour
Alberto Contador 61 63.54%
Cristopher Froome 25 26.04%
Andy Schleck 6 6.25%
Vincenzo Nibali 2 2.08%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen 2 2.08%
Ryder Hesjedal 1 1.04%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo 1 1.04%
Other (specify) 1 1.04%
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Old 11-07-12, 08:36
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Yeh, they invited him to the presentation but will not invite him to the race.
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ASO know they need Alberto. They don't want another boring Tour.
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It was my way of being nice to Saxo. I was just trying not to bring drugs, i.e. clinical stuff, DS or sponsors to the conversation. You need to practice your 'reading between the lines' skills.
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You're so outdated, you're so 2010! Saxo is not even a sure thing for the Tour, plus Contador's not the same guy he once was (see Vuelta 2012). And Andy? I guess other posters will fill you in.
Yes, because that was clearly representative and a good indication to see how good AC is.

Not saying we'll have the good old fashioned AC domination (although I hope and expect it anyway), but you can't just conclude he's not the same after he seemed to lack some endurence when coming too a GT having done only a small portion of the season.
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Yes, because that was clearly representative and a good indication to see how good AC is.

Not saying we'll have the good old fashioned AC domination (although I hope and expect it anyway), but you can't just conclude he's not the same after he seemed to lack some endurence when coming too a GT having done only a small portion of the season.
How would you estimate Froome's preparedness in this regard? Going to conclude anything?
Do you admit that opponents might be not 'the same' too?

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How would you estimate Froome's preparedness in this regard? Going to conclude anything?
Do you admit that opponents might be not 'the same' too?
is there anyone here that has ever said that Froome was at 100% this Vuelta?
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is there anyone here that has ever said that Froome was at 100% this Vuelta?
that's implied constrainedly due to the fact that emphasis is focused on Contador and his form.
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that's implied constrainedly due to the fact that emphasis is focused on Contador and his form.
Actually you're the only person that seems to come to this conclusion. I'd say 98% of this forum concedes that Froome was feeling the effects of the Tour at the Vuelta and of course was not at his best. I think you've jumped ship. In your never ending quest/hope/dream to see Contador get his deserved comeuppance, you've now hitched your wagon to Froome, thinking he's your only chance of getting true satisfaction, this because you've apparently lost hope of the Schleck's ever being able to deliver the killer blow to Contador in a grand tour.

It shouldn't be too difficult to accept that based on Contador's record in the grand tours it's not surprising that he gets the benefit of the doubt more often when it comes to predicting who will be the favorite. He's a proven commodity.

Froome, as has been mentioned, is still finding his way, impressively, to the top step of a grand tour podium. While the Tour was an impressive performance by him, I have to continously remind you of who wasn't there (Contador, Andy Schleck,), of who was there but not at their best (Evans, Valverde), and those that crashed out (Hesjedal, Frank Schleck, Samu) all of which could have altered the eventual outcome. Froome himself indicated during (or after) the Vuelta that the constant attacks/changes in rhythm dictated by Contador, Purito and Valverde put him in a bit of difficulty. Is one within reason to anticipate the same or even more so at the Tour? Van Garderan and Pinot will likely be improved which could be worrisome for Sky in the mountains. They won't have the same one-two punch if Wiggins does the Giro with the intention of winning it.
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Actually you're the only person that seems to come to this conclusion. I'd say 98% of this forum concedes that Froome was feeling the effects of the Tour at the Vuelta and of course was not at his best. I think you've jumped ship. In your never ending quest/hope/dream to see Contador get his deserved comeuppance, you've now hitched your wagon to Froome, thinking he's your only chance of getting true satisfaction, this because you've apparently lost hope of the Schleck's ever being able to deliver the killer blow to Contador in a grand tour.

It shouldn't be too difficult to accept that based on Contador's record in the grand tours it's not surprising that he gets the benefit of the doubt more often when it comes to predicting who will be the favorite. He's a proven commodity.

Froome, as has been mentioned, is still finding his way, impressively, to the top step of a grand tour podium. While the Tour was an impressive performance by him, I have to continously remind you of who wasn't there (Contador, Andy Schleck,), of who was there but not at their best (Evans, Valverde), and those that crashed out (Hesjedal, Frank Schleck, Samu) all of which could have altered the eventual outcome. Froome himself indicated during (or after) the Vuelta that the constant attacks/changes in rhythm dictated by Contador, Purito and Valverde put him in a bit of difficulty. Is one within reason to anticipate the same or even more so at the Tour? Van Garderan and Pinot will likely be improved which could be worrisome for Sky in the mountains. They won't have the same one-two punch if Wiggins does the Giro with the intention of winning it.
I just don't cease to amaze from 'when he's at 100%, nodody's in business' thoughts, because it's the most preposterous way of reasoning to base on. Actual palmares is the only criteria people pay attention to make their predictions? Of course not. Points are built on some subjective rates of riders' strength for the last 1-2-3 years.

Not, as I said previously I can follow sport without rooting for anyone. But to laugh from fan prejudices which are positioned like the only correct viewpoint is my intrinsic right. I think generally Froome is already than Contador. Surely you can operate with your notorious palmares argument, comparing Contador to the guy who rode the only GT for himself (while being in not very good form). It won't change anything.
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Actually you're the only person that seems to come to this conclusion. I'd say 98% of this forum concedes that Froome was feeling the effects of the Tour at the Vuelta and of course was not at his best. I think you've jumped ship. In your never ending quest/hope/dream to see Contador get his deserved comeuppance, you've now hitched your wagon to Froome, thinking he's your only chance of getting true satisfaction, this because you've apparently lost hope of the Schleck's ever being able to deliver the killer blow to Contador in a grand tour.

It shouldn't be too difficult to accept that based on Contador's record in the grand tours it's not surprising that he gets the benefit of the doubt more often when it comes to predicting who will be the favorite. He's a proven commodity.

Froome, as has been mentioned, is still finding his way, impressively, to the top step of a grand tour podium. While the Tour was an impressive performance by him, I have to continously remind you of who wasn't there (Contador, Andy Schleck,), of who was there but not at their best (Evans, Valverde), and those that crashed out (Hesjedal, Frank Schleck, Samu) all of which could have altered the eventual outcome. Froome himself indicated during (or after) the Vuelta that the constant attacks/changes in rhythm dictated by Contador, Purito and Valverde put him in a bit of difficulty. Is one within reason to anticipate the same or even more so at the Tour? Van Garderan and Pinot will likely be improved which could be worrisome for Sky in the mountains. They won't have the same one-two punch if Wiggins does the Giro with the intention of winning it.
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