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Old 11-07-12, 14:46
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**** Morris is just a huckster. But George Will & Michael Barone getting map so badly wrong is a warning: GOP no longer knows its country
Their predictions were mostly wishful thinking on Will and Barone's part, but there is also much truth to it. There are no longer enough evangelical white "real Americans" to put a severely conservative in the White House anymore and there never will be again. Time to branch out a bit, Rs.

In the meantime, welcome to the pot-smoking gay socialist paradise of your nightmares.

EDIT: the other crucial message to the GOP:

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But in a happy surprise for Democrats, [young voters] showed up in droves for Obama again in 2012. Voters under 30 made up 19% of the electorate per exit polling, an increase of their share from 2008. And Obama still blew out Romney on the margins, winning their vote 60-36. As the Republican Party gets older, the prospect of a rapidly growing generation of reliable Democrats that actually shows up on Election Day is about the worst news possible. http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ref=fpnewsfeed

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Old 11-07-12, 14:48
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So we read in their slogan that the republican party is "ready to take the country with the second amendment," that is by force of arms if necessary.

The presaging trouble of such ominous republican threats, is only surpassed by the mendacity of their claims: for example, that Obama is a socialist. Obama is not a socialist (were that he would be though, to fix public education and provide Americans with real national healthcare). In fact, he is even more to the right than was Clinton.

Bla bla bla, with lots of stuff I agree with, that I have cut out not to take up all of the thread.
That was a good read!
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Old 11-07-12, 14:51
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Their predictions were mostly wishful thinking on Will and Barone's part, but there is also much truth to it. There are no longer enough evangelical white "real Americans" to put a severely conservative in the White House anymore and there never will be again. Time to branch out a bit, Rs.

In the meantime, welcome to the pot-smoking gay socialist paradise of your nightmares.
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Old 11-07-12, 14:54
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So far we have never seen Obama rise to that level, but if he ever had it in him to step up and do so, now is the time, for the next six months will mean everything to his presidency, and legacy.
I think his legacy is already secure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rss_ezra-klein

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The Affordable Care Act — the single most significant bill of Obama’s first term — is law. It’s law that mostly won’t go into effect until 2014, but it’s law nevertheless. Mitt Romney’s key campaign promise was that, on day one, he’d begin working to pass a new law that would repeal it. But Obama doesn’t have to do anything to make health reform happen. He doesn’t need 60 votes in the Senate. He doesn’t need 218 votes in the House. It’s already happening. Obama’s reelection is all that was required to for the United States of America to join every other industrialized country in having a universal — or at least very near-to-universal — health-care system.

The Dodd-Frank financial reforms are law. Again, Mitt Romney’s promise was to pass a new law that would repeal it. If Obama is reelected, however, he doesn’t need to ask Congress to work with him on Wall Street reform. They already did. Rather, the new regulations will continue to be hammered out and implemented. Wall Street will simply need to learn to live with them.

Tax increases are law. The Bush tax cuts are expiring at the end of the year, as is the AMT patch, as is the payroll tax cut, as are a host of smaller business tax cuts and stimulus tax cuts. Mitt Romney’s promise was that he’d pass a law making sure taxes didn’t go up (though he left open the possibility of permitting the stimulus cuts to expire). Obama’s promise is that he won’t sign a law that extends all the tax cuts. And if he holds to that promise, then taxes are going up, either through a negotiated compromise or simply letting current law take effect.

On their own, passing and implementing any of these laws would be a huge achievement for a presidency. The three of them together are a record and pace of domestic change unmatched by any recent administration. But they were an odd sort of change: Change that wouldn’t happen until — and arguably unless — Obama secured a second term. Tonight, he did that.
If nothing else, in 20-30 years, when we do actually have universal health care, Obama will be known as the one who made it possible.
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Old 11-07-12, 15:44
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John Boehner has stated that the Repubs in the House won't raise taxes 1 dollar, no matter what. So, we're right back where we started.

Eight years ago at this time Bush stated that the American people had given him a mandate. With that he was able to use a lot of political insider maneuvering, and key speeches to get a lot of conservative legislation through a fairly divided Congress. Sixteen years ago Clinton did similar, but made great use of the bully pulpit to connect with people and pressure Congress.

So far we have never seen Obama rise to that level, but if he ever had it in him to step up and do so, now is the time, for the next six months will mean everything to his presidency, and legacy.
We'll see what the legislative agenda will look like in a couple of weeks, how everything pans out, and what the perceived "mandate" is. I'd guess/hope something like this, also based on the fact that there seems to be bipartisan agreement that these are critical issues and there is something for both parties to gain:

1) Avert fiscal cliff and negotiate dispose of the sequester i.e. budget
2) comprehensive immigration reform, given that a +3% Latinos voted in favor (w/ Sen. Rubio who needs to position himself for 2016)
3) comprehensive tax reform (corporate taxes; closing loopholes; limiting deductions; changing carried interest; capital gains/limit/remove energy subsidies for oil/gas/coal)
4) investments in science, technology, and education
5) contain healthcare costs; ability to renegotiate drug prices

(aside from managing business overseas whether in the field of security or trade including Syria, Iran, China, Russia; i.e. legislation is still pending re normalizing trade relations with Russia)

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6) perhaps under the leadership of Warren, take another look at Dodd-Frank and make improvements; Just read something that big banks and mid-size banks have a bit of a fall out and pursue different interests.
7) Seize on the change in perception regarding climate change
8) During his speech, he mentioned "the long lines of voters" and that something should be done about it. Perhaps that means he is interested in pursuing electoral reform, but I'd guess that would not be comprehensive, but more piecemeal...Take the politics out of voting.
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Old 11-07-12, 16:53
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Folks here at the office were talking about since President Obama was reelected they are going to move off somewhere. They don't want any social health care and think President Obama was going to tax us Merikans to oblivion. They were talking about going to Canada. I started laughing my a$$ off at them. People live next door to another country and have no clue what the tax rates are and that Canada has the MCP cards. funny stuff going on here at my office.

As far as President Obama getting anything done well I hold out no hope for that.
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Old 11-07-12, 17:03
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If nothing else, in 20-30 years, when we do actually have universal health care, Obama will be known as the one who made it possible.
Depending on how well it pans out. But you are correct.

While the so-called fiscal cliff is going to be a real test of brinksmanship, and a crucible of Obama's backbone and will power to bend some arms (where's LBJ or Nixon when you need him?!), the biggest issue on that list by Bala is going to center around taxation. He's going to have to find a way to create the impression (illusion) of large scale change and fairness, without major net increases, and use a stick to beat the obstinate tea party dolts over the head with it. Does he have it in him?

China will also have a new leader, Xi Jinping, who faces some serious challenges ahead of him from old school communists on one side, and what amounts to corrupt oligarchs, not too dissimilar from Russia, pulling from the other. All while their society faces issues of growing income inequality, rising personal debt, and demands for more democracy and transparency in a rapidly changing world. The guy has his work cut out for him, and like Obama is going to have to make some very tough decisions, while shaking the right hands and cracking the right heads along the way.

It will be interesting to see what kind of bond forms between Obama and Jinping in the months to come.
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Folks here at the office were talking about since President Obama was reelected they are going to move off somewhere. They don't want any social health care and think President Obama was going to tax us Merikans to oblivion. They were talking about going to Canada. I started laughing my a$$ off at them. People live next door to another country and have no clue what the tax rates are and that Canada has the MCP cards. funny stuff going on here at my office.

As far as President Obama getting anything done well I hold out no hope for that.
Pretty scary when you can be considered one of the smartest in your office!
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So is it like cool for Christians to hate on Mormons again?
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Old 11-07-12, 17:39
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While the so-called fiscal cliff is going to be a real test of brinksmanship, and a crucible of Obama's backbone and will power to bend some arms (where's LBJ or Nixon when you need him?!), the biggest issue on that list by Bala is going to center around taxation. He's going to have to find a way to create the impression (illusion) of large scale change and fairness, without major net increases, and use a stick to beat the obstinate tea party dolts over the head with it. Does he have it in him?
Obama doesn't have to do a damn thing - he's got the leverage and political capital now. If the country goes over the cliff it'll be the Rs who take the brunt of the blame, and Boehner knows it. On taxes, if no agreement is reached, the Bush tax cuts automatically expire and the Dems introduce their own tax-cut-for-the-middle-class-but-not-for-the-wealthy plan and let the Rs vote against that.

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