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View Poll Results: Who will win 2013 GIRO?
Nibali 90 32.03%
Rodriguez 29 10.32%
Hesjedal 16 5.69%
Basso 9 3.20%
Wiggins 106 37.72%
Scarponi 2 0.71%
Others 29 10.32%
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Old 11-08-12, 19:34
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Nibali is almost 28 years old. Rodriguez is almost 34 years old. I'd keep that in mind when comparing the two.
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Hasn't Rodriguez been improving for three straight seasons?
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Vuelta 2010
Stage 20
Nibali- 2nd +1
Rodriguez- 3rd +23

stage 16
Nibali-10th +1'50
Rodriguez- 4th +1'22

stage 14
Nibali- 2nd +20
Rodriguez- 1st

stage 11
Nibali- 6th +23
Rodriguez- 18th +59

In this race, Rodriguez was stronger in the mountains but in the 2011 Giro

stage 9
Nibali- 4th '50
rodriguez- 26th 2'21

Stage 13
Nibali- 8th 1'36
Rodriguez-12th 1'52

Stage 14
Nibali- 3rd '40
Rodriguez- 11th 2'24

Stage 15
Nibali- 7th 3'34
Rodriguez- 8th 3'34

Stage 20
Nibali- 11th 6'20
Rodriguez- 3rd 4'50

Clearly Nibali was the stronger climber in this race.

In the 2013 Giro Nibali and Rodriguez's performance in the mountains I think will be comparable, but Nibali I think will beat Rodriguez in the long run thanks to his TT.
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sammy begins each gt with a three minute deficit as it is. purito, scarponi, evans, and frank have tried and failed. poor andy was driven to drink, it was so difficult. Cobo can beat a less than 100% Nibali, but that's it. Froome shows how he gets crushed off form. I don't think Valverde is much better than Nibali at GT's to begin with. That leaves Contador, who can't even win the Dauphine off form.
He won the Tour that year off form. Unless you think finishing a tt outside the top 30, a handful of seconds ahead of Andy Schleck, is Contador at 100%.
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Evans just raced a GT while not at 100% and you probly saw how he went.
Samuel Sanchez... we will be able to discuss upon it when he'll finally manage to properly race a GT from the start to the end, as for now there's no evidence at all he's so strong as you seem to think.

And Cobo I hope you're just trolling lol. What did he ever do other than that Vuelta (and btw Nibali won a Vuelta too... why doesn't that matter, if it does for Cobo?)
i dont know about now since he has been plagued with misfortune last 2 gts he tried, but 07 Vuleta, 09 Vuelta Sanchez showed far better tt skills than Nibali has, and most importantly 2010 Tour (where we couldnt see him tt properly since he had a brokenw wrist) he showed significantly greater mountain skills than Nibali has.

Of course Nibali may reach a higher level with time, but if we assume he is still (just about) at a level similar to 2010, then yes Samu is a better gt rider than Nibali. For today.
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Nibali is almost 28 years old. Rodriguez is almost 34 years old. I'd keep that in mind when comparing the two.
no. Just no.

No one asked who would win in 5 or 10 years time. The question is who would win NOW. And last i checked the GC of a grand tour does not care how old you are. If you finish a gt 5 seconds behind someone it doesn't matter whether you are 19 years old or 50. It still counts as behind

The riders age is totally irrelevant.
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Vuelta 2010
Stage 20
Nibali- 2nd +1
Rodriguez- 3rd +23

stage 16
Nibali-10th +1'50
Rodriguez- 4th +1'22

stage 14
Nibali- 2nd +20
Rodriguez- 1st

stage 11
Nibali- 6th +23
Rodriguez- 18th +59

In this race, Rodriguez was stronger in the mountains but in the 2011 Giro

stage 9
Nibali- 4th '50
rodriguez- 26th 2'21

Stage 13
Nibali- 8th 1'36
Rodriguez-12th 1'52

Stage 14
Nibali- 3rd '40
Rodriguez- 11th 2'24

Stage 15
Nibali- 7th 3'34
Rodriguez- 8th 3'34

Stage 20
Nibali- 11th 6'20
Rodriguez- 3rd 4'50

Clearly Nibali was the stronger climber in this race.

In the 2013 Giro Nibali and Rodriguez's performance in the mountains I think will be comparable, but Nibali I think will beat Rodriguez in the long run thanks to his TT.
2010 Rodriguez had just done the tour de france + before that he had done Suiise, Ardennes, Volta Catalunya, Vuelta Pais Vasco and Paris Nice - all of them fighting for the win or for stages.

Its a miracle he had some energy left for the Vuelta. I mean Froome this year didnt do a 3rd of that schedule and cracked far worse than Rodriguez did that year.

As for 2011 Giro, illness did seem to effect him. I mean I know in the giro, especially 1 that brutal, a lot of people fall ill, but in light of Puritos last 2 gt performances, and the fact that he actually did contend in the 2 stages after he managed to recover from illness, i would say it had a very negative effect on him.
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It sure as heckola isn't going to be wiggins.

I picked Nibs...the man is maturing.
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Of course Nibali may reach a higher level with time, but if we assume he is still (just about) at a level similar to 2010, then yes Samu is a better gt rider than Nibali. For today.
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Wow, just wow! LOL! Ryo and Pisto, take it away.
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Old 11-09-12, 02:01
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His best climbing performances have come since the 2011 Giro (Dauphine, Giro, Vuelta). The bloke who was a class above Contador on aerobic efforts a few months ago is clearly not the same one who blew up in Andorra or was no where on Etna. There's nothing to suggest that come May he will have regressed back those darker days.
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