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Old 11-08-12, 18:53
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Hey did you guys see this? First to jump ship?

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...orney-general/
Probably more like Obama telling Holder he's gone by Christmas. Holder has been an embarrassment that BO didn't want to deal with while in full campaign mode.
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Old 11-08-12, 18:54
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Democrat-Boycotting Libertarian Eric Dondero on Whether He Would Let a Democrat Drown

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All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.
Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.
Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.
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Old 11-08-12, 19:06
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I agree. I don't think there's going to be much opposition from the R's.
There will be opposition to realistic immigration reform from not only business interests opposing the effective closure of the borders but the loony tune fringe that is convinced that any sort of federal ID is the first step to being rounded up and shipped off to FEMA run concentration camps. At the same time an amnesty will produce a voter windfall for the Democrats. If the Repubs played their cards right, they might be able to nominate Rubio in 2016 and capture a lot of those voters; but the party has a severe brand problem with minorities that might be hard to overcome.

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I think if Obama can pull off reducing spending and somehow get a nice rise in GDP there will be a D controlled government for 30 or more years. The pro-growth limited govt types like me are just becoming noise in the background.
People should concentrate on effective government because we are never going back to an idealized past where government was small and limited. Society has grown too large for that.
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Old 11-08-12, 19:07
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No. I'm great...

We voted in Prop 30 which raised sales tax and income tax on higher wage earners.

If it's a dismal failure then I think the the rest of the country will still go that way but probably over two or three decades.
Glad to hear you are great. What has just taken place in California is exactly the opposite of what happened in 1978 when California approved Proposition 13 that, reducing property taxes, placed into motion an anti-fiscal ideology, which was then taken up by Ronald Reagan and subsequently has gone on to condition American politics over the last 30 years or so. Now the pendulum has swung to the other side, so that one has begun to understand that investing in the public sphere, especially in the schools, is a means to facilitate economic growth and diminish inequality.

Imagine though Scott if all those millions that corporate America wasted on financing Romney’s campaign, had been used to build schools and hire teachers. This is a perverse irony, which I can only find grotesque in a society that has always claimed to be about opportunity and the promoters of equality among the citizenry.
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Old 11-08-12, 19:12
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I think this guy is working at my office.
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Glad to hear you are great. What has just taken place in California is exactly the opposite of what happened in 1978 when California approved Proposition 13 that, reducing property taxes, placed into motion an anti-fiscal ideology, which was then taken up by Ronald Reagan and subsequently has gone on to condition American politics over the last 30 years or so. Now the pendulum has swung to the other side, so that one has begun to understand that investing in the public sphere, especially in the schools, is a means to facilitate economic growth and diminish inequality.

Imagine though Scott if all those millions that corporate America wasted on financing Romney’s campaign, had been used to build schools and hire teachers. This is a perverse irony, which I can only find grotesque in a society that has always claimed to be about opportunity and the promoters of equality among the citizenry.
Only Mittons hu?

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Old 11-08-12, 19:25
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And then there are the true nutcase libertarians.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11...bertarian.html

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Republicans around the country are responding to President Obama's reelection in a variety of ways — among them: anger, depression, finger-pointing. But nobody had the same reaction as Eric Dondero, a former Ron Paul aide who blogs at LibertarianRepublican.net. In a post yesterday, Dondero, reasoning that the only recourse to Obama's victory is "outright revolt," laid out the terms of the "personal boycott" against Democrats which he plans to maintain for the rest of his life and that he hopes his followers will as well. What does the boycott entail? Cutting all ties with Democratic family members, friends, and lovers; refusing to work for a Democratic boss; spitting on the ground when a Democrat talks to you; and possibly ****ting on your Democratic neighbor's lawn, among other things:

All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.

Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.
I think someone's lost it completely.

EDIT: oh sorry Zam, didn't see that you'd already posted this.

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Old 11-08-12, 19:58
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There will be opposition to realistic immigration reform from not only business interests opposing the effective closure of the borders but the loony tune fringe that is convinced that any sort of federal ID is the first step to being rounded up and shipped off to FEMA run concentration camps. At the same time an amnesty will produce a voter windfall for the Democrats. If the Repubs played their cards right, they might be able to nominate Rubio in 2016 and capture a lot of those voters; but the party has a severe brand problem with minorities that might be hard to overcome.



People should concentrate on effective government because we are never going back to an idealized past where government was small and limited. Society has grown too large for that.
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There will be opposition to realistic immigration reform from not only business interests opposing the effective closure of the borders but the loony tune fringe that is convinced that any sort of federal ID is the first step to being rounded up and shipped off to FEMA run concentration camps. At the same time an amnesty will produce a voter windfall for the Democrats. If the Repubs played their cards right, they might be able to nominate Rubio in 2016 and capture a lot of those voters; but the party has a severe brand problem with minorities that might be hard to overcome.
I don't think immigration reform will close borders anymore than they are closed now. Amnesty is surely certain to happen now. But if Heather Mac Donald is correct then, at least in Cali, Hispanics are going to vote for whoever promises to give them the most stuff. Rubio won't help the R's with Hispanics much as the south FL Cubans already are pretty conservative. Rubio's message won't resonate with Hispanics much better than Romney's did.

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"The future mismatch between labor supply and demand is likely to raise wages for college-educated workers, while a glut of workers with a high school diploma or less will depress wages on the low end and contribute to an increased demand for government services, especially among the less educated Hispanic population. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California already use welfare programs (such as cash welfare, food stamps, and housing assistance) at twice the rate of U.S.-born non-Hispanic households, according to an analysis of the March 2011 Current Population Survey by the Center for Immigration Studies. Welfare use by immigrants is higher still. In 2008–09, the fraction of households using some form of welfare was 82 percent for households headed by an illegal immigrant and 61 percent for households headed by a legal immigrant.

Higher rates of Hispanic poverty drive this disparity in welfare consumption. Hispanics made up nearly 60 percent of California’s poor in 2010, despite being less than 38 percent of the population. Nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics in California are poor, compared with a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nationally, the poverty rate of Hispanic adults drops from 25.5 percent in the first generation—the immigrant generation, that is—to 17 percent in the second but rises to 19 percent in the third, according to a Center for Immigration Studies analysis. (The poverty rate for white adults is 9 percent.) That frustrating third-generation economic stall repeats the pattern in high school graduation and college completion rates as well."
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People should concentrate on effective government because we are never going back to an idealized past where government was small and limited. Society has grown too large for that.
Probably very good advice for Republicans if they want any influence or relevance going forward.
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Old 11-08-12, 20:21
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So Romney conceded FL, making the final EV tally 332-206.

Also, nothing makes me happier than this:

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Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is 0-5 in campaigns where he invested millions into super PACs to help Republican candidates.

Adelson had put millions into super PACs supporting Senate candidates George Allen in Virginia and Connie Mack in Florida, and House candidate Shmuley Boteach in New Jersey. He had previously backed Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and Texas Senate candidate David Dewhurst, both of whom lost in primary elections.

New York Times reporter Nicholas Confessore tweeted, "With Kaine called, Adelson 0-5 for individual races he spent heavily in through super PACs this cycle. A Romney loss would be 0-6."

The biggest super PAC donor of the 2012 election could wind up going 0-6 if Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney loses to President Barack Obama. http://www.caltrops.com/pointy.php?a...ost&pid=150165
0-6 it is.

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Old 11-08-12, 20:38
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Hispanics are going to vote for whoever promises to give them the most stuff.
This is why you guys still don't and probably never will get it.
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