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Old 11-09-12, 17:57
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I could turn this thread into a US politics and the General into a "Global Politics". But I don't know that's a compelling point. This is essentially a global forum, and over the last year topics have spilled over between both threads anyway.

Any other ideas?
Could just close this thread for now, keep the General Politics open, and then resurrect a US Election thread when we get closer to the midterms in 2014, at which time talk about the 2016 primaries will probably start to heat up.
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Old 11-09-12, 18:20
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come on glenn, both the cubans he met were less radical. rube wouldn't make up anything.
Of course I don't make things up. I've been to Cuba. In Rome I have had many dealings with Cubans from the States on vacations, all of whom are the most fervent republican ideologues. I don't blame them for this and understand that it's quite natural for them to see the US as salvific, its anti-communist milieu as "the good" vs. Castro's regime socialism as "the bad." However, it is precisely their background that prohibits them from being objective.

Whereas the Italians who have taken for themselves Cuban wives are of course not colored by faith in US exceptionalism, though of course why would they?

Glenn can spew off that the sky is purple with green polka dots and that Santa Clause exists, that's fine; but when he says things like "you don't know what you’re talking about," he is speaking with about as much authority as the rest of his inane comments on this forum: that is zero.

Cuban Americans will always vote republican.
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Old 11-09-12, 18:50
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This Welch Allyn?

They're restructuring, Scott. 45 layoffs. Sounds like they're doing pretty good.

This Boston Scientific?

Hmm. Does sound as though they're going under and apparently they've decided to take BridgePoint down with them.

This Cook Medical?

So I guess they've decided to layoff billions and billions of workers to afford to build this new manufacturing plant just before they go under.

http://www.mpo-mag.com/articles/2012/10/top-of-the-news. You should probably read the whole thing. Sounds like they're all doing quite well.


You should also read this:
http://keller.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...-of-obamacare/



But let me guess: you got all that from an article like this one, right?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...-obamacare-be/

Uh. Huh.

Oh and this Alan Zafran?

https://www.luminouscap.com/default.asp?P=826460



Shocking that he thinks the ACA will be bad for business. Just shocking.
This Welch Allyn;

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Portland Business Journal by Erik Siemers , Business Journal staff writer

CEO Steve Meyer;

Welch Allyn is cutting 10 percent of its 2,750-person global workforce as part of a restructuring Meyer said is necessitated by the federal Affordable Care Act.

The legislation — signed into law in March and upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in June — includes a 2.3 percent excise tax on total revenues of medical device companies that goes into effect next year.

“If you do the math on that, you have to realize it’s a regressive tax that starts on revenues, but when applied to the bottom line the impact is pretty substantial,” Meyer said.

Meyer, for example, said that for a business with $100 million in sales and $10 million in profit, a 2.3 percent tax on sales equals $2.3 million.

“That represents a 23 percent tax on your income,” Meyer said. “Those are the kinds of orders of magnitude we’re dealing with in terms of the numbers.”
Boston Scientific is "restructuring" too, wonder why?

Boston Scientific will eliminate 1,400 jobs companywide by the end of 2013.

http://www.twincities.com/business/c...bs-twin-cities

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Cook Medical Inc. had been planning to open five new manufacturing plants over the next five years in small communities around the Midwest, including Indiana, but has shelved those plans because of the hit it will take from a new U.S. tax on medical devices.

The Bloomington-based medical device maker estimates it will pay between $20 million and $30 million once the tax takes effect in January, Pete Yonkman, executive vice president of strategic business units at Cook Medical, said this week.
http://www.ibj.com/cook-medical-shel.../article/35735



This may be the best point you have ever made;

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Alan has served as a financial adviser to wealthy families and institutional investors for the past 22 years.
Let me ponder that for a moment..... hmmmmm.

Okay. Wealthy families generally have managed fund accounts with competent financial advisers. Non-Wealthy families and workers invest through mutual funds and retirement accounts (you know, pensions and 401(k)'s)... those are called institutional investors.

So, Alan is a financial adviser for for people and institutional investors that... uh, invest money in the marketplace and seek his advice.

That's just downright criminal.
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Old 11-09-12, 19:23
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Could just close this thread for now, keep the General Politics open, and then resurrect a US Election thread when we get closer to the midterms in 2014, at which time talk about the 2016 primaries will probably start to heat up.
This is one possibility....I'd already thought of starting a 2014 topic when Bala mentioned that the next campaign had already begun, but that would be a bit premature.

For obvious reasons, recent political talk in the cafe has focused on the US election. I believe there is still plenty of talking to do that is specifically US related. I would suggest re-naming this topic to 'US' politics while retaining the old one for expected crises in Oz, the UK and elsewhere. There's a virtual war in Syria, Greece...loads that will come to the fore now that the election is over. I really think there is a justifiable need to have separate US and global politics discussion topics. Re-naming this one should take it nicely up to 2014, when the next real presidential election topic can be opened.

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Old 11-09-12, 19:30
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Much mention is given to the Obama-Romney campaign in the Smiley interviews below, so this has a place here:

Oliver Stone, as reported in la Repubblica today, has produced a series on US history from WWII till the present called Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States. It consists of 10 episodes and will be shown on Showtime beginning on Monday Nov. 12 and narrated by him. Stone wrote it with Peter Kuznick, professor of history and director of the Institute for Nuclear Studies at American University, Washington DC, based on archives of the United States, the Soviet Union, England, Germany and Japan. The series was prompted, in the director's own words, by information he noticed his daughter was given in the school history book written by a noted author and in wide circulation, which is patently wrong and all predicated upon US exceptionalism. This is how US history is taught in America.

Stone is an interesting figure who grew up fervently patriotic in NY believing that the commies were evil and that we were all good, until that is he went to Vietnam and realized that the reality was rather different and much more nuanced. He has spent his entire career trying to deconstruct the official versions of US history, at the expense of becoming an undesirable in the conventional Hollywood sphere and has been attacked politically as a result.

At any rate it would seem to be in the style of the late Prof. Howard Zinn, who as professor of US history at the U. of Boston wrote a seminal, if not widely read, A People's History of the United States and A People's History of American Empire. Both are excellent works and tell history as it should be told, though rarely is: that is from the losers side and not the winners.

Stone's initiative should be a noteworthy production, which no doubt will be shadowed by controversy by the mainstream outlets, which is all the more why it would probably be something you’d want to see.

For more information (the Travis Smiley interviews are particularly interesting, which although naive in regards to states like Russia and China are nonetheless about time for Americans to hear):

http://www.sho.com/sho/oliver-stones...ed-states/home

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/...ck/?show=15810

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/...uznick-part-2/

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Old 11-09-12, 20:06
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This Welch Allyn;



Boston Scientific is "restructuring" too, wonder why?

Boston Scientific will eliminate 1,400 jobs companywide by the end of 2013.

http://www.twincities.com/business/c...bs-twin-cities

This Cook Medical;



http://www.ibj.com/cook-medical-shel.../article/35735
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/104791...ct-job-killing

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But what about the financing—and all those “job-killing taxes”? The law does indeed apply new taxes, primarily on three sources. The first is on parts of the health care industry—medical devices, pharmaceuticals, and insurance. But these taxes are effectively asking those sectors to “kick back” some of the revenue increases that the law will provide, by creating so many new paying customers. On net, these sectors are major winners from health care reform.
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Let me ponder that for a moment..... hmmmmm.

Okay. Wealthy families generally have managed fund accounts with competent financial advisers. Non-Wealthy families and workers invest through mutual funds and retirement accounts (you know, pensions and 401(k)'s)... those are called institutional investors.

So, Alan is a financial adviser for for people and institutional investors that... uh, invest money in the marketplace and seek his advice.

That's just downright criminal.
Never said it was. I said I'm not in the least bit surprised that a Wall St investment adviser for the wealthy would write something like this:

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CEOs recognize an unsustainable ecosystem when they see one. They also distrust the band of undisciplined politicians who will continue to set the tax and regulatory rules under which they must operate.
Uh huh. Are those the same CEO's who make about 100:1 versus their employees even when the company loses a ****load of money? I bet they recognize an "unsustainable ecosystem". The same CEO's who nearly destroyed the banking and financial system that greatly contributed to the recession and then asked the feds to step in to save their asses? I bet they "distrust the band of undisciplined politicians who will continue to set the tax and regulatory rules under which they must operate."

(btw I think I said ACA before in ref to the Zafran article - had it on the brain, meant to say "Obama will be bad for business" instead.)
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Old 11-09-12, 20:08
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Elections have consequences.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...uts-expire.php
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Old 11-09-12, 20:22
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And the first of the names bandied about as possible candidates for 2016 goes down.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...raeus-resigns/

EDIT: should mention that he resigned after it became public that he was having an extramarital affair. Probably not the best thing for the head of the CIA to be doing.
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Never said it was. I said I'm not in the least bit surprised that a Wall St investment adviser for the wealthy would write something like this:

Uh huh. Are those the same CEO's who make about 100:1 versus their employees even when the company loses a ****load of money? I bet they recognize an "unsustainable ecosystem". The same CEO's who nearly destroyed the banking and financial system that greatly contributed to the recession and then asked the feds to step in to save their asses? I bet they "distrust the band of undisciplined politicians who will continue to set the tax and regulatory rules under which they must operate."

(btw I think I said ACA before in ref to the Zafran article - had it on the brain, meant to say "Obama will be bad for business" instead.)

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I said I'm not in the least bit surprised that a Wall St investment adviser for the wealthy would write something like this:
Wealthy... I suppose it depends on your definition. He consults with many fund managers. Like the Calpers briantrust. All those wealthy cops and firemen.

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Uh huh. Are those the same CEO's who make about 100:1 versus their employees even when the company loses a ****load of money? I bet they recognize an "unsustainable ecosystem". The same CEO's who nearly destroyed the banking and financial system that greatly contributed to the recession and then asked the feds to step in to save their asses? I bet they "distrust the band of undisciplined politicians who will continue to set the tax and regulatory rules under which they must operate."
Another fantastic comment. Maybe we should just go ahead and nationalize? Weren't you tooting the GM bailout success horn? Do you know what a small fraction of CEO's took bailout money?

Try again.

Like most in govt now you have not listened to employers and you aren't going to.

Hopefully, you and the feds know best.

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Old 11-09-12, 20:52
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Glad you're back, Scott. There was something seriously out of balance when Glenn and I are the most conservative people in the conversation, and I'm only posting here maybe once a week (and Glenn is institutionalized). Just don't get too worked up, and know when to take a break.

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