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Old 11-09-12, 18:44
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"We have nothing to hide. We like our credibility"
That didn't get him far did it? How long did TT take to nail him with "non-existent" evidence? 3 weeks?
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Old 11-09-12, 18:46
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of course.......no evidence is proof of a conspiracy

remember with lance there was much evidence....quashed positives
details from team members etc etc etc
No I'm saying there will be no evidence/proof of doping/conspiracy unless someone fuucks up. It's not a treasure hunt, they're not deliberately leaving clues lying around. Noone concerned wants found out, including the UCI. But the team still smells of fish. Is the clinic all time maximum visitors count still on the day of Plateau de Belles Filles?
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Old 11-09-12, 19:02
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sorry! mate................stating that team sky is 'iffy'....it 'smells a bit'

is ok but after page after page there has to be questions asked

where is the proof?
Outside from the fact that I actually know about the doping there is substantial proof in the form of video evidence.

I've shown the Froome links and just how ridiculous his improvement is. But you need positive tests? And of course we're aware they're 100% failsafe LOL!

Sadly you'll never get the proof you need. Because they won't be testing positive anytime soon.

In the face of the video evidence if thats not good enough for you I can't help you. If you don't want to see it you can't see it.
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Old 11-09-12, 19:08
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wow! 'substantial proof' of team sky doping......imagine the worth of such

a video to the media................are you keeping it with your evidence

of links to ferarri?
I'll never reveal my sources. That would be stupid. But they are doping. Sorry.

If you want the scoop you'll need to get it elsewhere. Sorry to disappoint.

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Old 11-09-12, 19:10
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It's the Armstrong defence, worked because the sport is corrupt. If there were evidence of that quality there would be nothing to discuss.
But that's the thing - there WAS evidence like that against LA, from a VERY VERY early stage - I repeat, Betsy and Emma were saying this from the word go, Walsh was not believing it from the word go, there was the odd treatment of Bassons and Simeoni - where are the sky/Garmin equivalents?

Contador was pinged. Valverde was pinged. Franck was pinged. Wiggins? not a dickybird - Cadel? 1 visit to Ferrari, otherwise, nada.

hmmm
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Old 11-09-12, 19:11
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2005 – Liberty Seguros-Würth
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Winner points classification
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Tour Down Under
1st, Stage 5
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Winner overall classification
Winner combination classification
1st, Stage 3
Tour de Romandie
4th Overall classification
1st, Stage 4
2006 – Astana-Würth
Tour de Suisse
1st, Stage 8
Tour de Romandie
2nd Overall classification
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2007 – Discovery Channel
Vuelta a Castilla y León
Winner overall classification
Winner combination classification
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Paris–Nice
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Old 11-09-12, 19:12
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@ebandit as I said, if there was a positive or a witness there would be nothing to discuss. But Wiggins' late bloom, Froome's, the doctor complicit in doping on Rabobank, the ex-Disco/Astana DS, the dominance at the Dauphinee and the Tour, the one-two at the Tour: together these have to arouse suspicion. Not buying them for a second.

Out of interest, despite the lack of proof one way or the other, do you think the team uses any banned substances/techniques? In the end they do or they don't.
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Old 11-09-12, 19:13
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Back at ya.
I'd love to see a link to the irrefutable evidence uncovered by the Clinic that caused these guys to run for retirement and queue up to quit.
Stealing USADA's thunder, indeed.
Where did USADA show Yates doped or that Leinder's doped rabobank?

Questions were being asked about Sky long before that. Sky bowed to the pressure to try and clean their appearance and hide the evidence.

We saw the riders doing it from Paris Nice to the TdF, but they cleared out staff not riders. Like that would be acceptable!

Brailsford has not provided a reason for not keeping TdF winning Doctor Geert Leinders with the team?

He has also in the interests of transparency not told what the investigation about Leinders discovered.

Ah transparency tranparency transparency. This word seems not to reach the peloton!
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Old 11-09-12, 19:33
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oh so i must stand corrected..............you didn't make it all up re team sky

links to ferarri..........you have video evidence of team sky doping...........but

you can't share it with your good friends in the clinic................right!
if he had any real evidence he'd be showing it to everyone - he desperately wants to look like an insider, he posts news stories from other sites without attribution so they appear to be his own, etc. Wait til he hears Froome's latest remarks about the team not being aggressive enough at the Tour this year.
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Old 11-09-12, 20:00
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Outside from the fact that I actually know about the doping
Sorry, Hog, not good enough. Not even close. IF you have first hand evidence, present it. Otherwise, you're just full of ****...like, seriously, you decry all this supposed doping, yet, having the evidence, you keep it secret? No, not buying it.

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there is substantial proof in the form of video evidence.
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If that video of him and Gerrans is the height of your 'substance', I think we can ignore you from now on.

I really want to think you have something productive, or useful to add. Much as Dear Wiggo can make me roll my eyes, some of his stuff is genuinely very thought provoking, same with Benotti.

But this stuff? It's just...petty, i suppose is the word.
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