World Politics - Page 1270 - Cyclingnews Forum

Go Back   Cyclingnews Forum > Cafe > General

General Grab a short black and come join in the non-cycling discussion. Favourite books, movies, holiday destinations, other sports - chat about it all in the cafe.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #12691  
Old 11-08-12, 08:51
auscyclefan94's Avatar
auscyclefan94 auscyclefan94 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,882
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferminal View Post
Link?

charchar
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...401-1w6qa.html
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggercuz View Post
second post ever after reading the forum for the last few years and one thing i must say, ACF94 is probably the most intelligent poster here, never biased to BMC or Cadel, and never gets worked up over anything.
Reply With Quote
  #12692  
Old 11-08-12, 09:25
Ferminal Ferminal is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 16,484
Default

Thanks

Terrible

No doubt the supporters lapped it up though.
Reply With Quote
  #12693  
Old 11-08-12, 21:47
auscyclefan94's Avatar
auscyclefan94 auscyclefan94 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,882
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferminal View Post
Thanks

Terrible

No doubt the supporters lapped it up though.
Yes, that crowd is a very gullible one of that.

Interesting to read how much the major parties looked at the campaigns of the Democrats and GOP in the US election and the parallels that I discussed earlier between the political campaigns in America and Australia. More is discussed about it here; http://afr.com/p/national/boxing_in_...Yoqa9KtBJCMQeK
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggercuz View Post
second post ever after reading the forum for the last few years and one thing i must say, ACF94 is probably the most intelligent poster here, never biased to BMC or Cadel, and never gets worked up over anything.
Reply With Quote
  #12694  
Old 11-09-12, 22:23
thrawn thrawn is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,319
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by auscyclefan94 View Post
What I think this US Election shows is that Governments who create dream policies that can not be implemented get reelected. Governments that don't deliver at all and create a bigger mess get reelected. Governments who have leaders who are complete spin doctors, who make good speeches and who have a decent personality win elections. Countries that have overall media bias certainly do win elections. These issues take precedent over fiscal management and good policy. I am not endorsing the Republicans and their platform but Obama should have lost in a landslide today. This has worrying signs and parallels with Australian politics and the Coalition. Very worrying. There are so many parallels to Australia.
You should be happy if the overall media bias in Australia has an impact on the outcome of the election. The coalition would romp it in.
Reply With Quote
  #12695  
Old 11-10-12, 04:08
auscyclefan94's Avatar
auscyclefan94 auscyclefan94 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,882
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thrawn View Post
You should be happy if the overall media bias in Australia has an impact on the outcome of the election. The coalition would romp it in.
Typical flawed argument. I agree that News Ltd. are generally more right leaning, but then that is balanced by Fairfax's left-wing leaning. You have the ABC which is quite a strong political left leaning state broadcaster. Channel 7 and 9 barely cover politics anymore due to their 6:30om shows being quite trashy and irrelevant. Channel 10 does have Andrew Bolt on their network but when you look at programs such as The Project and the overall younger demographic that Channel 10 targets, it is traditionally more left leaning. We can also look at radio. 2GB, 2UE and 3AW are all more right leaning. the ABC and all the FM channels are pretty much left wing.

You should also take a read of this:
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eser...jr_17_2-95.pdf

Quote:
Politics

Ideological leaning was tapped using Johnstone et al.'s
closed question, which allows for five possible responses.
While 41 percent of journalists describe their "general
political leaning" as middle of the road, most of the
remainder are more likely to lean to the left than to the
right. Of the total, 3.8 percent said they were "pretty far
to the left", 35 percent a "little to the left", 1.8 percent
"pretty far to the right" and 14.2 percent a "little to the
right". Journalists specialising in politics are much more
likely to lean to the left than the right: 48 percent to 11
percent.

The governing party in Australia at federal level is
the Australian Labor Party (ALP), which is ideologically
similar to the Democratic Party in the United States.
Journalists are more likely to vote for the ALP (37%) than
its conservative opponents, the Liberal Party (29%) or the
National Party (2%). (Remaining figures are: 14% minor
parties, 13% undecided, 4% refused.) Only 1 percent of
journalists are members of a political party.
http://www.cios.org/EJCPUBLIC/003/3/00337.HTML
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggercuz View Post
second post ever after reading the forum for the last few years and one thing i must say, ACF94 is probably the most intelligent poster here, never biased to BMC or Cadel, and never gets worked up over anything.
Reply With Quote
  #12696  
Old 11-11-12, 02:56
auscyclefan94's Avatar
auscyclefan94 auscyclefan94 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,882
Default

Denmark has finally arrived at Planet Sanity, at least in one aspect of public policy.

Denmark to scrap world's first fat tax - ABC

A loss for dumb **** nanny statists.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggercuz View Post
second post ever after reading the forum for the last few years and one thing i must say, ACF94 is probably the most intelligent poster here, never biased to BMC or Cadel, and never gets worked up over anything.
Reply With Quote
  #12697  
Old 11-12-12, 06:31
auscyclefan94's Avatar
auscyclefan94 auscyclefan94 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,882
Default

Looks like Australia could be having a royal commission into pedophilia and the Catholic Church.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggercuz View Post
second post ever after reading the forum for the last few years and one thing i must say, ACF94 is probably the most intelligent poster here, never biased to BMC or Cadel, and never gets worked up over anything.
Reply With Quote
  #12698  
Old 11-12-12, 07:30
42x16ss's Avatar
42x16ss 42x16ss is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Perth, Aus
Posts: 2,721
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by auscyclefan94 View Post
Our PM plays the victim again. JG: "I'm good mates with Barack Obama. I tell him, 'You think it's tough being African-American? Try being me. Try being an atheist, childless, single woman as prime minister.' "

Her continual victim status makes me hate her even more.
I think Gillard forgets that Tony Abbott would act like a contrary turd to any PM, regardless of gender, marital status, religion or hair colour.

A substantial portion of new money bogans genuinely don't like her partly because she's a woman but mostly because they don't read any political commentary beyond the headlines and don't realise she's leading a minority government and also assume she's responsible for everything, even state level policy.

Hopefully Turnbull replaces Abbott and someone more solid and marketable can replace Gillard by the next federal election and provide a realistic choice.
Reply With Quote
  #12699  
Old 11-12-12, 08:54
thrawn thrawn is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,319
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by auscyclefan94 View Post
Typical flawed argument. I agree that News Ltd. are generally more right leaning, but then that is balanced by Fairfax's left-wing leaning. You have the ABC which is quite a strong political left leaning state broadcaster. Channel 7 and 9 barely cover politics anymore due to their 6:30om shows being quite trashy and irrelevant. Channel 10 does have Andrew Bolt on their network but when you look at programs such as The Project and the overall younger demographic that Channel 10 targets, it is traditionally more left leaning. We can also look at radio. 2GB, 2UE and 3AW are all more right leaning. the ABC and all the FM channels are pretty much left wing.

You should also take a read of this:
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eser...jr_17_2-95.pdf


http://www.cios.org/EJCPUBLIC/003/3/00337.HTML
Several issues:

The documents you provided are irrelevant. They are written in the early-mid 1990s. I mean they even rate ACA on political bias because that was when it actually produced political content. Now it doesn't. The landscape of the media has changed quite significantly since these papers were published. If you want to try and argue these points, try and find something from the last 2-3 years.

News Ltd. are not generally more right leaning. The Australian & the Daily Telegraph (I'm going to guess their papers in other states are the same) have been little more than Tony Abbott's cheer squad since he has taken over as opposition leader. They are not balanced out by Fairfax at all. Firstly, News Ltd. has about 70% of sales in the print media. Secondly, News Ltd. is significantly further to the right than Fairfax is to the left.

ABC is a left leaning organisation, as is SBS. What you ignore is that they actually bother to report the news. This is a significant difference to the commercial stations who are more likely to report on gossip than of anything of significance. They are right leaning organisations in general. Not sure about the project as I don't turn on channel 10 unless they are broadcasting a sport I want to watch.

2GB, 2UE etc. like News Ltd. are just a political cheer squad for the Liberal party. Whilst the ABC again is left leaning, it bothers to publish the news, unlike Alan Jones & co. Calling the FM channels left leaning is ridiculous. By and large they are not news channels. It would be like saying Today and Sunrise are political shows.

Having said all of the above, the Australian media is quite pathetic. The quality of journalism is degenerating quite rapidly.
Reply With Quote
  #12700  
Old 11-12-12, 11:06
auscyclefan94's Avatar
auscyclefan94 auscyclefan94 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 18,882
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thrawn View Post
Several issues:

The documents you provided are irrelevant. They are written in the early-mid 1990s. I mean they even rate ACA on political bias because that was when it actually produced political content. Now it doesn't. The landscape of the media has changed quite significantly since these papers were published. If you want to try and argue these points, try and find something from the last 2-3 years.

News Ltd. are not generally more right leaning. The Australian & the Daily Telegraph (I'm going to guess their papers in other states are the same) have been little more than Tony Abbott's cheer squad since he has taken over as opposition leader. They are not balanced out by Fairfax at all. Firstly, News Ltd. has about 70% of sales in the print media. Secondly, News Ltd. is significantly further to the right than Fairfax is to the left.

ABC is a left leaning organisation, as is SBS. What you ignore is that they actually bother to report the news. This is a significant difference to the commercial stations who are more likely to report on gossip than of anything of significance. They are right leaning organisations in general. Not sure about the project as I don't turn on channel 10 unless they are broadcasting a sport I want to watch.

2GB, 2UE etc. like News Ltd. are just a political cheer squad for the Liberal party. Whilst the ABC again is left leaning, it bothers to publish the news, unlike Alan Jones & co. Calling the FM channels left leaning is ridiculous. By and large they are not news channels. It would be like saying Today and Sunrise are political shows.

Having said all of the above, the Australian media is quite pathetic. The quality of journalism is degenerating quite rapidly.
On some levels, yes the media has changed. But by and large it hasn't in the bias. The documents provided still prove a point about the overall stand point of a majority of media outlets.

I need to correct you on a few fronts and introduce a couple of new statistics. News Limited owns 28% of the Newspapers in the readership. That is the real important statistic here. People have choice to read a wide variety of papers. Might I add, that News Ltd are not cheer squads for Tony Abbott. That is plain rubbish. I would actually say that News Ltd have made a larger attempt to remove any image of bias than Fairfax has. Even if I am to agree with News Ltd's cheering for Tony Abbott, it does not change the fact that the media by and large is actually largely more of a centre-left persuasion. Fairfax's ownership percentage is not that far below News Limited in that area. That shows people have choice. I would strongly challenge that News Limited are far to the right as Fairfax are as far to the left.

ABC and SBS put their own spin on the news like every other commercial network does. Please don't kid yourself. They always have had a centre-left overtone. On their political based shows such as Insiders and QandA, they are severly left wing and basically cheer for anything that is pro-ALP and left wing. The producers don't even bother to disguise it. Secondly, I am actually paying for the ABC and SBS in my taxes. I do not have to pay for any so called right wing biased network in my taxes because there are none. If you don't like it, then you don't have to read it or pay for it. I do have to for left leaning networks. Also, you can't say that the commercial networks are right-wing organisations and then say they report gossip. Might I add, that the media went more 'ape-****' over the Tony Abbott 'non scandal' with Barbara Ramjam than the corruption embedded with the AWU and Julia Gillard and also the most recent union scandal today that evolved within the NSW Labor Party.

You clearly don't listen to many FM stations. Whenever they discuss politics, it is always a mock Tony Abbott and the Coalition station. It suits the demographic of their audience. Young and left-wing. With 2GB, 2UE and 3AW, most of their hosts do not present themselves as news readers or reporters but as people providing an opinion or a debate. I agree that they should provide a variation of opinion, but when a program is presented as purely to present a single opinion, then I have no problem with that.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by diggercuz View Post
second post ever after reading the forum for the last few years and one thing i must say, ACF94 is probably the most intelligent poster here, never biased to BMC or Cadel, and never gets worked up over anything.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 23:41.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2006 - 2009 Future Publishing Limited. All rights reserved. Future Publishing Limited is part of the Future plc group. Future Publishing Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company registration number 2008885 whose registered office is at Beauford Court 30 Monmouth Street Bath, UK BA1 2BW England.