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I know noone will probably be able to answer this but any idea what protocol they used? 363W seems low for a VO2 max I think he did that for about 20min or so in a TDF stage this year. Also 4.74L cant be right seems very low, even if he is light, for a GC contender.
Undoped and out of shape.... He can probably get over 80 V02 max in great shape (undoped). the 370 FTP he had was with blood doping probably.... But remember Jani only weights 61 kg so 363 watts for say 5 mins is pretty good for being out of shape.

If I remember correctly 12*5min time trial w/kg + 3.5= V02 max estimate

If Coggan replies he might have a better estimate method.
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I know noone will probably be able to answer this but any idea what protocol they used? 363W seems low for a VO2 max I think he did that for about 20min or so in a TDF stage this year. Also 4.74L cant be right seems very low, even if he is light, for a GC contender.
I believe Iñigo San Millán's protocol starts off at 1.5-2.5 w/kg and then increases by 0.5 w/kg every 10 minutes. Maybe the exact starting w/kg and ramp rate is off, but the ramp rate is definitely much slower than a traditional VO2 max test. Consequently, this produces lower VO2 "max" scores but the protocol is a better indicator of current race potential/fitness. I believe this is the protocol Garmin uses and what Vaughters was talking about in another thread.

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Undoped and out of shape.... He can probably get over 80 V02 max in great shape (undoped). the 370 FTP he had was with blood doping probably.... But remember Jani only weights 61 kg so 363 watts for say 5 mins is pretty good for being out of shape.

If I remember correctly 12*5min time trial w/kg + 3.5= V02 max estimate

If Coggan replies he might have a better estimate method.
The test date says 2012/05/10. You also have to realize they are at moderate altitude. I would expect most riders not to last too long after they've gone above threshold.

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Have you taken any performance enhancing drugs, outside the research study mentioned above? You don't have to answer, I am simply curious.
I'm not sure if you missed my edit, or if you are differentiating between "banned" and "performance enhancing". With respect to the latter, though, I have taken caffeine tablets to stay awake during overnight drives (I don't like coffee).
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I'm not sure if you missed my edit, or if you are differentiating between "banned" and "performance enhancing". With respect to the latter, though, I have taken caffeine tablets to stay awake during overnight drives (I don't like coffee).
I saw your edit. It reminded me of Jonathon Vaughters, Krebs Cycle and hmmm a few other people around here ;-)

So I asked again hoping you'd answer the question I asked. Thanks!
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I saw your edit. It reminded me of Jonathon Vaughters, Krebs Cycle and hmmm a few other people around here ;-)
Methinks your tin foil hat is a wee bit too tight.
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If I remember correctly 12*5min time trial w/kg + 3.5= V02 max estimate

If Coggan replies he might have a better estimate method.
Rather than 5 min power I'd suggest the quasi-plateau in power that typically occurs in a reasonably well-paced pursuit=type effort:

http://www.trainingandracingwithapow...ing-power.html

Even then, though, you're faced with the uncertainty resulting from variations in cycling economy (efficiency).
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Methinks your tin foil hat is a wee bit too tight.
precise words and all that, yes?
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The quotes from Wiggins' book re. his power output have been plastered all over the internet...you practically can't visit any cycling forum and not come across them.
so many cycling website visits for someone not following pro cycling!
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Well if you give him 10 W more 2 y later, that makes his performance this year more, not less, believable, no?
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so many cycling website visits for someone not following pro cycling!
I frequently read/particpate in forums such as this one, but rarely read websites covering pro cycling.
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