Originally Posted by thehog
It's a little frustrating but not unexpected.
You put forward some fairly damming associations and all you get back is: "it's not 100% proof" - so you ask - what would be proof in this particular context? - silence - nothing.
It's obvious many are freighted to use: "never tested positive" but that's the level of critical reasoning that's being presented.
I think there is a lot of proof. No wonder cycling is in a mess. The fans will pretend their heroes are clean regardless.
What hope is there?
There is plenty of hope. Sticking with an Irish theme here...how about Paul Kimmage. His donation fund is proof enough people care. People care enough that an injustice is being perpetuated. So much so they give their own $$$ to support a man who only ever stood up for the truth when he saw proof of fraud and cheating going on. Time provided him right, but what constituted proof was not shown or reported.
So how to change that? Simple...call it out. The masses are hearing, my point in my original post is about perception versus reality. At what stage does one deem the evidence as 'proof'. And by proof, I mean proof enough to adopt a different ideological stance, or a change in opinion. We need more voices questioning in the media. We need morally sound people in positions of power. People who have a loyalty first and foremost to the truth. Not people who deflect. Not people switch blame from one person to another. People of compassion and understand, but tempered with enough strength that they stay the moral and right course.
To do that requires institutional change. There is talk of this new movement backed by the Czech businessman Bakala. The head of the RCS, Acquarone, is talking with him. I'm not sure on the methodology they have planned, but any major change needs to involve a clearing out. The Power That Be (PTB) need to go, whether they are team directors/owners, UCI officials/reps or at the ASO and RCS. National level scum bags need to be given the boot. They all need to go. The fans need to be vocal about this. I have no problem with a sponsorship program like Bakala's entering the sport IF the UCI is reshaped. The enablers and drug pushers need to be booted. CONI and the Italians are doing quite a lot. I think the reason all their older GC riders have slowed down was fear. The message is getting through to some people. Wonder why Nibali left Liquigas? I don't think it was for the money alone. I think it was to get away from Italy. The Belgians are thinking of reform. The Australians are having a minor probe into the business.
I'd love for the new French President to change the law and force the ASO to take doping seriously. They know it goes on. They met with Sky before the Tour to do what with Bio profiles? Discuss cadence and marginal gains? We all know why they met and it was to ensure the Tour didn't become a complete farce, which it was close to reaching. Heck we've got Froome laying the smack talk down early for next July. No need to wonder how that will pan out is there? No the French can change the law to allow the AFLD to march into the Tour and raid everyone. Everyone on the days most akin to doping with blood vector boosters. Allow them to wake everyone up at 1-2am and do a mass peloton blood test. Catch them microdosing. Put the literal fear of God into the race. They'll back off, just like the Italian big names have. Nobody wants to the gendarmerie matching them down to the slammer and doing a strip search. Force them to clean up. There is a way, but is their a will?
The media need to atone for their complicity. They've allowed a lot to go on. Kimmage practically stood alone. I say invite him to the TdU and put Liggett to the pulpit and get him to answer questions. I saw on Scott LeMond's twitter months back a suggestion that P&P were supposedly talking aloud about LA doping at the 2007 Tour (think that was it). Grill the man. He was the big journalist who championed the cause. Force the others to follow suite of be ridiculed by the masses. You see it's like riding a wave. It's building and people are trying to catch on, it's just at this stage we don't know whether it'll break or continually build and take one into the beach. The momentum is there, it's just only a few are fighting.
And yeah, the Irish can do everyone a world of good and remove McQuaid themselves. If team Sky of all groups can remove minor guys who enabled doping and not on that basis, then with all the garbage and ammunition McQuaid has given people, surely, surely, they can stand up for Kimmage and knock him back. It shouldn't be up to some lone cowboy lawyer from Switzerland to lay the smack down.
People are learning from the past. Look at the number of new posters on here. Yes, some of them aren't here for the right reasons, but they are here. The most cycnical views on here from a societal point have shown to be the most realistic...people are catching on and learning that they have been conned by many. Their patience is thinning. As I said, there are no absolutes. The anti-doping fight will never end. It's part of the human condition that someone somewhere is cheating. The right people doing the fighting need to remain vigilant and hold their own. I really hope the Italians and French uncover some serious stuff in their races next season as it will force the peloton to really change. And yes, I have seen change from a lot of the elite riders. Maybe not a lot, but enough that I think some of them desire the doping to be gone entirely and not just those who use psuedo code words that uphold omerta.