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Old 11-12-12, 00:50
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That really depends whatyou mean by europe, politically yes, but not geographically, which is compltely irrelevent to the argument anyway
Not really. Just adds to the mystic of its seclusion and confirms the difficult nature of access by those meddling drug testers.

Thank-you for the confirmation
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Old 11-12-12, 00:52
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Hypoxia induces EPO, no question. But once cleared up, that extra production of EPO by rights should go back to normal.

I read something earlier I need to follow up, that didn't make a lot of sense based on current EPO doping protocols. Something to do with repoxygen.

If only broken hearts lead to increased EPO
Should. One would expect.

But what if a latent/dormant non active parasitic infection were to keep stimulating endogenous RBC production? Similar to a dead virus vaccine stimulating an immune response?

Any haematologist in the house?

More training beats broken hearts any time.
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One hypothesis for Froome: he was clean/relatively so, but went balls out, independently, for the 2011 Vuelta to save his job. Sky rehired him (interesting as if they let him get a contract elsewhere the team would be less conspicuous) and either let him into the enhanced A team or supervise his DIY program (deniable system operated with Leinders at Rabobank).

So he DIYd at that Vuelta, but in doing so raised his profile enough to merit support.

Should ask blackcat though who seems to have a special interest in the rider.
think he just took a poor program on Corti's Barloworld, John Robertson woulda managed him much better.

I wonder whats gonna happen with John Lee Augustyn. Guy had great talent. Now thrown off Sky on a team called Utensilnord-Named.

Lots of riders take the route of Jamie Burrow
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Froome is all about his parasitic blood disease. THAT story needs mining.
I see your cadence. I raise you bilharzia.

genius. Even Armstrong could not think'a' that!
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I see your cadence. I raise you bilharzia.

genius. Even Armstrong could not think'a' that!
Froome is like a pre pubescent teenager when he's interviewed. He's so shy and awkward. It's not a good idea to give guys like him so much drugs.

The guy wasn't even racing at 19. He was just messing about on mountain bikes. It's been quite the turnaround.

College drop-out to Tour winner in one easy step.
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I see your cadence. I raise you bilharzia.

genius. Even Armstrong could not think'a' that!
No need for Motoman. Just a one trip to Africa. And a carefully managed anti-parasitic medication regime. To keep the system stimulated but not too much so, oops, sorry..., I mean treating the parasites.

This thread is developing. Only 7 months before the tour to bust this story. Fanboys no time for sleeping yet.
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No need for Motoman. Just a one trip to Africa. And a carefully managed anti-parasitic medication regime. To keep the system stimulated but not too much so, oops, sorry..., I mean treating the parasites.

This thread is developing. Only 7 months before the tour to bust this story. Fanboys no time for sleeping yet.
When Froome smashed Fabs in the ITT at the Tour numbnuts here were saying "yes but Cancellera has been injured" not realizing Froome was supposedly off the bike for 8 weeks with his paralyzing blood diesese.
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Froome is like a pre pubescent teenager when he's interviewed. He's so shy and awkward. It's not a good idea to give guys like him so much drugs.

The guy wasn't even racing at 19. He was just messing about on mountain bikes. It's been quite the turnaround.

College drop-out to Tour winner in one easy step.
I have to be honest, I missed the Tour win.
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I think Teide is a total red herring,in the bertagnolli affidavit Ferrari is recorded as saying not to use Tenerife, the authorities are aware and it is monitored. If Sky are working with Ferrari, as Rev Hoggo insists, then they wouldn't be training in Teide.

I have said Sky have left themselves open to lazy speculation. This is one, and people think they are PR masterminds
I agree with all of this.

Betagnolli's conversation with Ferrari was on December 1st 2010.
That's two months after 34 arrests on Gran Canaria and Tenerife in
the clenbuterol sting operation.
Confirms that the islands were under surveillance.

Certainly more solid "evidence" to support this theory, than simply joining dots by name alone.

The point is: Ferrari could set up camp almost anywhere.
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I agree with all of this.

Betagnolli's conversation with Ferrari was on December 1st 2010.
That's two months after 34 arrests on Gran Canaria and Tenerife in
the clenbuterol sting operation.
Confirms that the islands were under surveillance.

Certainly more solid "evidence" to support this theory, than simply joining dots by name alone.

The point is: Ferrari could set up camp almost anywhere.
But here's the rub - even after he was banned from working with people still didn't stop him - as the USADA evidence shows. He was still working in Italy.

Doesn't the Betagnolli conversation refer to riders who were currently under investigation ie Scarponi and Petacchi? So even though they were under investigation they were still carrying on before. He's still going around in his camper van, even though it was well known as his preferred method for meeting riders.

Also, the conversation takes place in 2010 - well there is nothing to say that by 2012 he might have concluded that it was no longer being watched.

To quote Martin Rees - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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