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View Poll Results: Who will win 2013 GIRO?
Nibali 90 32.03%
Rodriguez 29 10.32%
Hesjedal 16 5.69%
Basso 9 3.20%
Wiggins 106 37.72%
Scarponi 2 0.71%
Others 29 10.32%
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Old 11-09-12, 22:27
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Old 11-09-12, 22:29
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If age doesn't matter then why are you talking about Jrod's results from a year ago(at the time the Giro will start next year).

Obviously age matters. It wouldn't be the first time that a rider all of a sudden is past it after a good year: Mario Cipollini, Robbie Mcewen, Chris Horner, Moreno Argentin(pre-EPO), Michele Bartoli, Laurent Jalabert, maybe Evans, maybe Thor Hushovd, etc
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Old 11-11-12, 08:02
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Hard to answer. On one hand Nibali have not finished the strength to win a hard Giro. Hesjedal is a runner but worst kind of Wiggins Wiggins cyclist so 100% must win. Rodriguez has improved mentally and I think that will help a lot in 2013. Now there is less and the stages will be very hard to say. His problem is still the time trial, we will see if anything has improved.
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Old 11-12-12, 08:48
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He won the Tour that year off form. Unless you think finishing a tt outside the top 30, a handful of seconds ahead of Andy Schleck, is Contador at 100%.
Ocean of pro- Contador utopia. Hell, if you pretend to be objective in a way, you realize that any rider has his relative up and downs and essentially it's a bottomless discussion whether either Contador was weaker than in 2010 or Schleck, Menchov, Sanchez were stronger than before that? A rider is good so much as others let him to be good. You blindly hung on in 2009 as that relation of forces became a benchmark just cuz it suits unconditionally and anything else is an aberration.

Cycling hierarchy according to the Hitch:
Contador
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Others

If Contador loses or collides with serious resistance, he's on off-form.

Hilarious than the forum member with such ludicrous views criticizes other posters' logic, calls ones trolls and idiots...

Poor Vincenzo Nibali, Purito Rodriguez and others. Their eternal destiny to try to beat an off-form (exactly like that otherwise they'd better not start) Contador just because the Hitch said this way.

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Old 11-12-12, 10:01
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Ocean of pro- Contador utopia. Hell, if you pretend to be objective in a way, you realize that any rider has his relative up and downs and essentially it's a bottomless discussion whether either Contador was weaker than in 2010 or Schleck, Menchov, Sanchez were stronger than before that? A rider is good so much as others let him to be good. You blindly hung on in 2009 as that relation of forces became a benchmark just cuz it suits unconditionally and anything else is an aberration.

Cycling hierarchy according to the Hitch:
Contador
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Others

If Contador loses or collides with serious resistance, he's on off-form.

Hilarious than the forum member with such ludicrous views criticizes other posters' logic, calls ones trolls and idiots...

Poor Vincenzo Nibali, Purito Rodriguez and others. Their eternal destiny to try to beat an off-form Contador just because the Hitch said this way.
It's true of course. I am getting tired of the Contador propaganda. If he lost the Vuelta it would have been because of lack of racing but Froome did not get much sympathy for backing up and finishing the race when he could have pulled out at any time like others would have. Froome would have known after the first five days that he was not going to make the podium. Maybe the riders that beat Contador should be given more credit. It's impossible to be in peak form for every grand tour when sickness or injury can impact or riders can lose form for no reason at all. There was never much sympathy for Evans or Gesink when they failed but if Contador fails it's like a day of mourning, we should all wear black until the next grand tour ?
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Old 11-12-12, 11:45
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Vuelta 2010
Stage 20
Nibali- 2nd +1
Rodriguez- 3rd +23

stage 16
Nibali-10th +1'50
Rodriguez- 4th +1'22

stage 14
Nibali- 2nd +20
Rodriguez- 1st

stage 11
Nibali- 6th +23
Rodriguez- 18th +59

In this race, Rodriguez was stronger in the mountains but in the 2011 Giro

stage 9
Nibali- 4th '50
rodriguez- 26th 2'21

Stage 13
Nibali- 8th 1'36
Rodriguez-12th 1'52

Stage 14
Nibali- 3rd '40
Rodriguez- 11th 2'24

Stage 15
Nibali- 7th 3'34
Rodriguez- 8th 3'34

Stage 20
Nibali- 11th 6'20
Rodriguez- 3rd 4'50

Clearly Nibali was the stronger climber in this race.

In the 2013 Giro Nibali and Rodriguez's performance in the mountains I think will be comparable, but Nibali I think will beat Rodriguez in the long run thanks to his TT.
in the giro 2011 rodirguez was on anti biotic for almost full first 2 weeks

I see you also took vuelta 2010, while he did the tour of 2010 as wlel. what a lame argument is that to compare it

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Old 11-12-12, 11:46
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Nibali is almost 28 years old. Rodriguez is almost 34 years old. I'd keep that in mind when comparing the two.
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Old 11-12-12, 11:48
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If age doesn't matter then why are you talking about Jrod's results from a year ago(at the time the Giro will start next year).

Obviously age matters. It wouldn't be the first time that a rider all of a sudden is past it after a good year: Mario Cipollini, Robbie Mcewen, Chris Horner, Moreno Argentin(pre-EPO), Michele Bartoli, Laurent Jalabert, maybe Evans, maybe Thor Hushovd, etc
I didn't know you had a magical ball in which you can see what year a rider drops back in level

since purito has actually been improving consistantly for the past 3 years there's no reason to suspect that will stop all of a sudden
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Old 11-12-12, 12:38
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It's true of course. I am getting tired of the Contador propaganda. If he lost the Vuelta it would have been because of lack of racing but Froome did not get much sympathy for backing up and finishing the race when he could have pulled out at any time like others would have. Froome would have known after the first five days that he was not going to make the podium. Maybe the riders that beat Contador should be given more credit. It's impossible to be in peak form for every grand tour when sickness or injury can impact or riders can lose form for no reason at all. There was never much sympathy for Evans or Gesink when they failed but if Contador fails it's like a day of mourning, we should all wear black until the next grand tour ?
Many have mentioned the lack of form (or illness) of Evans in the 2012 Tour, Froome having the Tour in his legs for the 2012 Vuelta, and even Andy being a bit off form for the 2011 Tour. It's not just Contador that gets this benefit of the doubt. Credit was given to Purito having improved in every way with his Giro and Vuelta performances in 2012. I'm quite certain that Purito and Valverde (had he not lost the time from his crash early in the Vuelta) were and would've given Contador the scare of his life similar to the one he experienced from Andy when he pulled out his Tour win in the final ITT in
2010. I'm quite certain that if you reference the forum during those particular periods you will find sympathy shown for Evans and maybe for Gesink (but not from the Dutch who are harder on Gesink than anyone ).

Until proven otherwise Contador is simply the rider to beat when it comes to grand tours. Do you wonder why his is the first name generally mentioned when the predictions on who will win/contend are presented?
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Old 11-12-12, 13:07
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I dislike Velasco but sometimes the hate for him is extreme as it is with every other rider i suppose.
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