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Old 11-13-12, 00:02
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and (t)he change is?
This is in marked contrast to Hein & Pat stating one to two percent.

The quote is also relevant to the thread on 'What constitutes proof that a cyclist/team are doping?' and the many previous threads on 'They all dope'.

Personally, I find it fascinating that a qualified authority believes that 20% did not dope. Who are they?

Certainly not Benoit or Freiere based on their recent comments.

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This is in marked contrast to Hein & Pat stating one to two percent.

The quote is also relevant to the thread on 'What constitutes proof that a cyclist/team are doping?' and the many previous threads on 'They all dope'.

Personally, I find it fascinating that a qualified authority believes that 20% did not dope. Who are they?

Certainly not Benoit or Freiere based on their recent comments.

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That's not what he said. He said his conservative guess is that 80% dope. That means AT MOST 20% are clean. The statement doesn't preclude the likelihood that fewer are clean, or even the possibility that NONE are clean.
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This is in marked contrast to Hein & Pat stating one to two percent.

The quote is also relevant to the thread on 'What constitutes proof that a cyclist/team are doping?' and the many previous threads on 'They all dope'.

Personally, I find it fascinating that a qualified authority believes that 20% did not dope. Who are they?

Certainly not Benoit or Freiere based on their recent comments.

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Reread the statement

As to who they are? They are most likely the anonymous pack fillers who carry water bottles and musettes, shield and guide their team leader in the pack and disappear when the hammer is dropped in the mountains. They won't be the climbing doms or the strongmen pulling the pack for 30-40 kms at a time.

Now, with the UCI's stupid points system there is even less space for guys like this in the pro peleton, no matter how good they are as shown by guys like Joost Posthuma no longer getting contracts. This is another UCI move that can subtly encourage riders to dope. Become strong enough to be a leader on your team or GTFO
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Old 11-13-12, 07:19
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While Schleck claims he transferred the money in 2006 to finance a specific training regime, according to Danish media dr.dk, Hamilton said: “I assume that Fränk Schleck did exactly the same thing with Dr Fuentes as me, which is speaking about doping programmes.” However, the cyclist did not produce any evidence to support this claim.

“It doesn't make any sense”
Of course Hamilton is correct it doesn't make sense. We know from various information sources that not everyone who worked with Ferrari was getting doping advice. Ferrari was a sports Dr first after all and he has a CV in the field. Of course working with Ferrari is very suss but still not beyond the realms of possibility.

In contrast, Fuentes is all about doping, no evidence for a genuine sports medicine background at all.
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...In contrast, Fuentes is all about doping, no evidence for a genuine sports medicine background at all.
But an excellent palmares as a gynecologist
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But an excellent palmares as a gynecologist
Didn't Fuentes publish quite a bit on training and nutricion in his track running and university days?
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But an excellent palmares as a gynecologist
Just ask F. Schleck....
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Of course Hamilton is correct it doesn't make sense. We know from various information sources that not everyone who worked with Ferrari was getting doping advice. Ferrari was a sports Dr first after all and he has a CV in the field. Of course working with Ferrari is very suss but still not beyond the realms of possibility.

In contrast, Fuentes is all about doping, no evidence for a genuine sports medicine background at all.
Who do we know that worked with Ferrari without doping? Other than Bileka for a while, and even he ended up being doped by Ferrari.
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