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Old 11-13-12, 03:07
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I haven't got one of these super wide monitors, and I have to tell you that map is completely distorting this page. That is one huge ****er!

So you got away with the gun run, huh Glenn?

Scotty, I'm seriously interested to hear your views on these calls for secession and impeachment, and if you would agree that these people are bats**t crazies.

Here's a piece that sums things up pretty well, imo -

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According to exit polls, support for Obama came from 93% of blacks, 71% of Latinos, 73% of Asian Americans, 76% of gays and lesbians, 60% of voters under 30 and 55% of women.

But that is not your classic ideological coalition, with shared interests and concerns. That's a collection of folks alienated, over time, by Republicans and their mission to return America to an era when some people had it really good — and whole groups of others had to settle for leftovers.

People vote their pocketbooks, but they also vote their passions. And those reflect not only their age and ethnic heritage, but the sort of personal lives that right-wingers have made clear they're not willing to abide.

Women are having babies without marrying the fathers. Gays and lesbians aren't willing anymore to stay hidden in the closet. Young people are using social media to lift their champions and bury their opponents. And Latinos and Asian Americans are staking their claim to a growing slice of this American pie.

And that affects the rest of us. If you don't have a family member who's gay, you probably have a friend or co-worker who is. If you have teenagers at home, you've probably learned to accept their bands of multiracial friends.

And if you are, like me, a single mother, you don't want to be made to feel that you are shortchanging your kids. And I'm not willing to allow my daughters' reproductive options to be controlled by a bunch of narrow-minded, self-righteous men.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,293179.column
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What the 'ell is going on with the General Petraeus scandal?

The FBI agent who started the case was a friend of Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who received harassing, anonymous emails that led to the probe, according to officials. Ms. Kelley, a volunteer who organizes social events for military personnel in the Tampa area, complained in May about the emails to a friend who is an FBI agent. That agent referred it to a cyber crimes unit, which opened an investigation.

However, supervisors soon became concerned that the initial agent might have grown obsessed with the matter, and prohibited him from any role in the investigation, according to the officials.

The FBI officials found that he had sent shirtless pictures of himself to Ms. Kelley, according to the people familiar with the probe.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...189757452.html

The story of the sexy tattletale’s takedown of master spy Petraeus is now worth millions!

And it so happens that social climber Jill and her oncologist hubby Scott Kelley owe millions to banks after the collapse of their real estate holdings in 2010, Gossip Extra has learned.


http://gossipextra.com/2012/11/12/ji...-scandal-2006/
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I haven't got one of these super wide monitors, and I have to tell you that map is completely distorting this page. That is one huge ****er!

So you got away with the gun run, huh Glenn?

Scotty, I'm seriously interested to hear your views on these calls for secession and impeachment, and if you would agree that these people are bats**t crazies.

Here's a piece that sums things up pretty well, imo -



http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,293179.column

Secession is going nowhere. The Administration set a threshold to respond at 25,000 signatures and Texas has met that. So the Admin will tell them to F off and that will be the end. This admin could not care less about Texas and I think we will all see that shortly.
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What the 'ell is going on with the General Petraeus scandal?

The FBI agent who started the case was a friend of Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who received harassing, anonymous emails that led to the probe, according to officials. Ms. Kelley, a volunteer who organizes social events for military personnel in the Tampa area, complained in May about the emails to a friend who is an FBI agent. That agent referred it to a cyber crimes unit, which opened an investigation.

However, supervisors soon became concerned that the initial agent might have grown obsessed with the matter, and prohibited him from any role in the investigation, according to the officials.

The FBI officials found that he had sent shirtless pictures of himself to Ms. Kelley, according to the people familiar with the probe.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...189757452.html

The story of the sexy tattletale’s takedown of master spy Petraeus is now worth millions!

And it so happens that social climber Jill and her oncologist hubby Scott Kelley owe millions to banks after the collapse of their real estate holdings in 2010, Gossip Extra has learned.


http://gossipextra.com/2012/11/12/ji...-scandal-2006/
Benghazi is in da house.

Actually, who knows? Some weird **** is going down, that much is sure.
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Great argument there. The highly educated vote for Obama, old white people don't. Who is "wiser" in your opinion? Could old people maybe just vote conservative by default, as they do everywhere around the world?
Speaking as an old person, I resemble that remark.

I have never in my entire life, literally not even for one nanosecond, considered voting in any sense 'conservative' - and I never will, even if I wind up becoming even older and 'wiser'. I will confess that conservatives baffle me. It seems to me that 'progress' is something fundamental to human nature, whereas 'reaction' is not. At its simplest, the Dems are at least trying to be progressive on some matters of social and financial policy, whereas the Reps are fundamentally reactionary in every aspect of their platform.

Moreover, I can see the Reps losing their entirely artificial House majority for good just as soon as the revamped SCOTUS (in 10 years maybe) finally outlaws the obscene and utterly undemocratic practice of gerrymandering. I was reading that with any kind of normal, logical zoning in Ohio, the current 12-4 division of House seats in favor of the Reps would be closer to 9-7 for the Dems, which would certainly reflect the actual division of votes in Ohio somewhat more accurately.

Maybe the first step would be for each party to split, like the Judean People's Front split from the People's Front of Judea long ago.

We outright pinkos could set up a truly progressive party, while the Tea baggers could see how far they get with an ultra-extreme right party. Any takers?


Scotty, I've meanwhile seen your response to secession on the previous page. I seem to recall getting in trouble a while back when I suggested that setting up a Republic of Whacko somewhere near Waco or in the Okla. panhandle might be an option after all.
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Benghazi is in da house.

Actually, who knows. Some weird **** is going down, that much is sure.
You need to stop listening to rightwing crackpots who are doing everything they can to start the Benghazi Truther Movement. The politcally motivated conspiracy crap these guys are spewing should be embarrassing to Republicans.

This will probably end up being a sordid tale of incredible stupidity and opportunism on everyone's part. It will be something like Petraeus unwisely courts Broadwell's company and ends up having an affair, perhaps the most recent of a long line of similar affairs with women he has mentored. Broadwell turns out to be a kook. She thinks Kelley is after her paramour, so she sends harassing emails. Kelley is having an affair with an FBI agent. The agent forces an investigation into the matter even though the FBI should not have been concerned. After being shut out of the investigation because he was obviously obsessed, the agent leaks information to Republican legislators. Maybe he leaks for political purposes. Maybe he leaks for other purposes. Kelley has an identical twin sister who went bankrupt and is currently living with the Kelleys. The twin is a lawyer who specializes in whistleblower suits as well as healthcare. Maybe the sisters figure the Kelleys, who are being hit with huge real estate lawsuits, can make money if Petreaus and his crazy lover are exposed.
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You need to stop listening to rightwing crackpots who are doing everything they can to start the Benghazi Truther Movement. The politcally motivated conspiracy crap these guys are spewing should be embarrassing to Republicans.

This will probably end up being a sordid tale of incredible stupidity and opportunism on everyone's part. It will be something like Petraeus unwisely courts Broadwell's company and ends up having an affair, perhaps the most recent of a long line of similar affairs with women he has mentored. Broadwell turns out to be a kook. She thinks Kelley is after her paramour, so she sends harassing emails. Kelley is having an affair with an FBI agent. The agent forces an investigation into the matter even though the FBI should not have been concerned with the matter. After being shut out of the investigation because he was obviously obsessed, the agent leaks information to Republican legislators. Maybe he leaks for political purposes. Maybe he leaks for other purposes. Kelley has an identical twin sister who went bankrupt and is currently living with the Kelleys. The twin is a lawyer who specializes in whistleblower suits as well as healthcare. Maybe the sisters figure the Kelleys, who are being hit with huge real estate lawsuits, can make money if Petreaus and his crazy lover are exposed.

Thanks for the advice. It was a joke, but who's got time to chuckle theses days?
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A mathmatical impossibility. But Velo will tell you there is no such thing as voter fraud on the left.
I agree that it seems highly improbable that there could be zero votes for Romney in any precinct. If this is true, it definitely needs to be investigated. Even African-Americans, the most slanted minority group, voted 7% for Romney. I suppose if you take the poorest of that group, the % goes down further. I guess I can conceive of a small precinct that is 100% black and 100% poor, in which no one voted for Romney. But such precincts would surely be extremely rare.

I would like to know the lowest vote Obama got in a Republican precinct. I’m guessing not less than 20%.

OTOH, it seems we can rule out one kind of fraud—stuffing the ballot box—because as a Republican commentator pointed out, Obama actually received less votes this time around than in 2008, and less than Bush in 2004. The electorate has been decreasing in numbers.

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I have never in my entire life, literally not even for one nanosecond, considered voting in any sense 'conservative' - and I never will
Speaking in absolutes is much more characteristic of conservatives than liberals. Liberals are much more open to change, which means they can entertain the possibility that their views will change. I’ve been liberal all my life, but I can certain imagine voting conservative on some issues or for some candidates.

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Believing anything is fundamental, and that there is such a thing as human nature, is again far more characteristic of conservative than liberal belief. Those who embrace change are cautious about regarding anything as fundamental, and leery of the notion that that we are limited by our “nature”.

This is not by any means a criticism of your views, but only to point out that you are more conservative than you apparently realize.
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What the 'ell is going on with the General Petraeus scandal?

The FBI agent who started the case was a friend of Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who received harassing, anonymous emails that led to the probe, according to officials. Ms. Kelley, a volunteer who organizes social events for military personnel in the Tampa area, complained in May about the emails to a friend who is an FBI agent. That agent referred it to a cyber crimes unit, which opened an investigation.

However, supervisors soon became concerned that the initial agent might have grown obsessed with the matter, and prohibited him from any role in the investigation, according to the officials.

The FBI officials found that he had sent shirtless pictures of himself to Ms. Kelley, according to the people familiar with the probe.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...189757452.html

The story of the sexy tattletale’s takedown of master spy Petraeus is now worth millions!

And it so happens that social climber Jill and her oncologist hubby Scott Kelley owe millions to banks after the collapse of their real estate holdings in 2010, Gossip Extra has learned.


http://gossipextra.com/2012/11/12/ji...-scandal-2006/
Such hypocrisy. Did you see his wife? How can we expect him to be faithful!

At any rate the timing is telling me thinks. If he was distracted and thus remissive in his duties, because trying to cover this up and so wasn't worried so much about Bengasi and Obama knew about his situation, then the president will look bad.

I don't know, however, if my hypothesis has any bearing on reality.

PS. After reading the dailies the leading hypothesis is either Obama was aware before Nov. 7, just as the republican speaker of the house was about the investigation back in October, or there was a deliberate attempt not to have any of this leak to the public before the election. Either way, even if technically no rules would have been broken since sensitive info. of this type isn't by law supposed to go public before the investigation is concluded, we might be wondering what the scandal is all about. If by scandal we me it is surprising that a powerful man, who has lived at the front for years away from his wife, who, by the way, doesn't exactly seem like the most passionate of bedmates; would have taken one several young lovers. Yet there really is nothing surprising, let alone scandalous, in this: it’s just normal in the real world. That this would be compromising to national security, would only be so because of an official national culture, which tends to the puritanical and moralistic whenever it comes to sex and powerful public figures,as we saw with Clinton-Lewinsky. In Europe nobody would cry scandal and, consequently, there would have no need to be distracted, because it’s just a personal matter between a husband and wife and since nobody would be blackmailing anyone for it. There be nothing to gain by it. Perhaps the only recent exception to this has been DSK.

Certainly, though, Petraeus, given how the US media reacts, should have chosen a less volatile b!tch, who would not have caused such a casino.

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The highest educated voted for Obama. The academia types. Also, the least educated voted for Obama. So he got both ends of the spectrum there.
You say that like it's an insult. That's a tone I hear more among Republican types

Personally I'd be a little worried if people who spend their lives studying how things actually work overwhelmingly vote for the opposing party.

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The demographics that I saw didn't break down the 65+ vote by race. Sorry that doesn't fit the narrative.
Yeah, Obama got a majority of the minority vote, so I just assumed that the same applied for old people in that demographic. It's a daring assumption, I agree...

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Benghazi is in da house.

Actually, who knows? Some weird **** is going down, that much is sure.
No, an overdose of testosterone is in the house. It boils down to personal tragedies, fought out in the context where such tragedies can lead to blackmail.

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