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Old 11-14-12, 18:57
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Daily mail reading fanboys.. Thats a new one.

The kind of people that read that worthless, garbage paper would hate all cycling activities, so I'm not sure where you are coming from there.
They tend to put their hatred of cycling to one side when Brits are doing well
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Old 11-14-12, 18:59
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They tend to put their hatred of cycling to one side when Brits are doing well
sounds to me like your average brit
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Old 11-14-12, 19:24
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sounds to me like your average brit
Indeed an average human when their country is doing well at any sport
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Old 11-14-12, 21:10
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what he'd written isn't exactly a non-sequitor as you suggest. he's merely establishing some data points from which we can draw our own conclusions.

the both of you could use a refresher course in formal logic.

tho his conclusions are drawn somewhat rashly based upon what i agree are flimsy data points, at least they're based upon something. your position is essentially, "just because". you "value" giving folks the benefit of the doubt which is an even more biased approach.
And he does draw his conclusies and all I am saying is that his set of data points are so flimsy they don't support his conclusions. I am just trying to show the fallacy in his reasoning. Nothing more, nothing less.

I, on the other hand, don't draw any conclusions regarding Shaun Stephens. I can't, because I actually don't know the guy. I am indeed suggesting giving him the benefit of the doubt but I am in no way suggesting that is based on any facts, since I have none. In short I don't have an opinion on him and I don't think Mr. Prejudice can't defend the opinion he has given.
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Old 11-14-12, 21:28
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team...formance-coach


Shaun is replacing Bobby Julich.

And the irony: August, 2012 Shaun being interviewed wrt Aussie coaches being poached by other countries. Pretty wishy washy interview though. :-/

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...ephens/4181710


Shaun was Australia's head triathlon coach.

Sky just need a running coach and they should be set.
I said, the only thing better than a swimming coach, was a triathlon coach.

Blackcat said it here first folks
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Old 11-14-12, 21:29
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you're smarter than that, GJB, I know you are.
i'm feeling good today, so I'll spell it out, just for you:
fact 1: PEDs are pervasive in prosport including triathlon
fact 2: coaches most of the time know what their athletes are on
fact 3: Stephens is a very successful triathlon coach

now, if you have evidence that Shaun has actively tried to keep his athletes from using PEDs, post it.
until then the most plausible inference from facts 1-3 is that Shaun endulges doping.
sniper, you are shifting the burden of proof to the negative. This is considered a logical fallacy in legal, scientific and philosophical reasoning.

You are making the claim with 99% certainty, that Shaun Stephens (whom I know personally btw) is a doper, therefore it is you who must prove your alleged "facts" stated above. Specifically, you must provide evidence of the following....

1. Doping is pervasive in triathlon
2. All coaches know whether or not their athletes are doping
3. Athletes that Shaun Stephens coached were dopers
4. Shaun Stephens knew they were doping and encouraged it or allowed it to continue

If you can't prove any of these then your claim is simply airy fairy fluff and would get beaten down hard in any court or tribunal that would bother to hear it. Yes I realize this is an internet forum and not a court of law, but so what, it doesn't make your reasoning and accusation any more valid.

edit: and btw..... "indulge" might be the word you are looking for

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Old 11-14-12, 21:35
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marginal gains

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rounding error
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I said, the only thing better than a swimming coach, was a triathlon coach.

Blackcat said it here first folks


Could you elaborate?
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Old 11-14-12, 23:11
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Well now they got swimming and triathlon covered. They just need to find a marathon coach now, to find out how those Kenyans get those marginal gains.
South Africa training camps. Give the whole team a blood virus and then - BOOM - smash June - October.

Too obvious?
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Old 11-14-12, 23:22
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Well now they got swimming and triathlon covered. They just need to find a marathon coach now, to find out how those Kenyans get those marginal gains.
Maybe they will hire an Irish Christian Brother next
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