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Old 11-14-12, 19:58
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Here's more stupid;

Cap and trade starts today in Cali.

Ok Velo. Breathe in that last paragraph.

The really excellent news out here is we have very low unemployment, a booming economy and very low tax base with a highly educated work force.

So we should be able to get through cap and tax.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/19/473...lost-with.html
Good for California. Hopefully other western states will join in and hopefully Obama will use his leverage to get some movement on cap and trade nationally. It's way past time.
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Old 11-14-12, 20:05
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Good for California. Hopefully other western states will join in and hopefully Obama will use his leverage to get some movement on cap and trade nationally. It's way past time.
See, now my solution would be to outlaw Italian food.

Had no idea that canning tomato's and making tomato paste would make ocean levels rise.
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Old 11-14-12, 20:06
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Goodbye California. Hopefully other western states will join in and hopefully Obama will use his leverage to get some movement on cap and trade nationally. It's way past time.
Fixed er fer ya.
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See, now my solution would be to outlaw Italian food.

Had no idea that canning tomato's and making tomato paste would make ocean levels rise.
Tomatoes are the least of your concerns. Water, ie shrinking snowpacks, sea-level rise and increasing salinity of aquifers and groundwater, shifting precipitation patterns, now that's what you should be worried about.

But I will grant you this, CA acting on its own - even though the state alone is the 15th largest GHG emitter in the world - will barely make a dent in global GHG emissions, but it's a start, and fortunately the folks running the show up there in Sacramento understand that doing nothing is going to cost CA a lot more over the long term than cap and trade will over the short term.

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Tomatoes are the least of your concerns. Water, ie shrinking snowpacks, sea-level rise and increasing salinity of aquifers and groundwater, shifting precipitation patterns, now that's what you should be worried about.
Don't have a thing to worry about here. California fixed the problem.

Speaking of shrinking snow pack, Mammoth Mountain Ski area had one of the earliest openings in recent memory.

Water is definitely a problem here. That little effing Delta Smelt is killing us. The Silver lining there is.... no water from the Sacto Delta, no tomato's from Central Cal, no green house emissions.

I think this was planned
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Don't have a thing to worry about here. California fixed the problem.
They're trying to do something about it, yep.

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Speaking of shrinking snow pack, Mammoth Mountain Ski area had one of the earliest openings in recent memory.
I've often wondered why otherwise intelligent conservatives insist on playing dumb when it comes to climate change. Ah well. Tomatoes.

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Water is definitely a problem here.
Even more of a problem when population increases at the same time water supply shrinks. Have fun with that.
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They're trying to do something about it, yep.

I've often wondered why otherwise intelligent conservatives insist on playing dumb when it comes to climate change. Ah well. Tomatoes.

Even more of a problem when population increases at the same time water supply shrinks. Have fun with that.
Oh no you d'int!


More seriously tho, I'm not convinced the population in Cali is going to continue to increase. In the short term? Perhaps. Long term? I doubt it. Our State govt will collapse, it's only a question of when. There's a whole slew of city govts that are preparing for BK now. There is absolutely no plan to grow economically, in fact everything in this State is banking on fewer than 300,000 individuals tax filers and relatively small handful of silicon valley companies to support the rest of us.

This is full flight liberalism in a test tube. We are certainly gonna see if it works.
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Oh no you d'int!


More seriously tho, I'm not convinced the population in Cali is going to continue to increase. In the short term? Perhaps. Long term? I doubt it. Our State govt will collapse, it's only a question of when. There's a whole slew of city govts that are preparing for BK now. There is absolutely no plan to grow economically, in fact everything in this State is banking on fewer than 300,000 individuals tax filers and relatively small handful of silicon valley companies to support the rest of us.

This is full flight liberalism in a test tube. We are certainly gonna see if it works.

No it won't collapse; it will differentiate and transform. Collapse and crisis are earlier modern concepts of population control that no longer obtain. (Environmental cases will persist, but be managed nonetheless.) Romney's loss in the face of the media and monetary push might have suggested that to you.

That aside, the direction of this thread suggests the obvious: that state territories and rights need to be radically reconceived. Whether that would curb the now inbuilt absurdity of California's approach to politics at large-or long that might take--is another matter.

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You do realize in 2006 our deficit was less that 250 Billion and the debt was half what it is now, right?

Maybe you can dig up some current data. At our level of GDP compared to our
Well, if you're right about the debt, then this is wrong. It seems the debt increased from 5.8 to 11.9 trillion under Bubba's watch, and had advanced to 14.3 by July 11, when these figures appear to be based on. Whatever the increase since then, it is slightly dishonest to suggest that Obama has doubled the debt.

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Ron Paul's farewell speech to congress

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...usaolp00000003

He certainly criticises both sides quite a bit. Makes some good points.
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