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Old 11-15-12, 18:05
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he became pro in 2003 by fdjeux.com he already started there in 2002. he was 20 years old starting 2003 season, stop spreading lies
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Old 11-15-12, 18:07
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he became pro in 2003 by fdjeux.com he already started there in 2002. he was 20 years old starting 2003 season, stop spreading lies
Vino was also a stagaire in 1997 for Casino, what's your point?

And it's not a lie that he turned 21 years old a few months after he became pro.

When Phil is retiring than you can compare them, before that just shut up lol. It still won't change the fact that Vino bribed Kolobnev to win LBL in 2010.

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Yeah vinos best friend Gilbert destroys rebellins and cunegos and franks and schumachers etc times up the cauberg by being totally clean. Makes sense
Vinokourov is not his best friend, why do you keep saying that?

http://www.sporza.be/permalink/1.516227

http://www.sporza.be/permalink/1.1002861

http://www.sporza.be/permalink/1.516225

Of course Schumacher's and Rebellin's times were slower. Watch a race before you talk about it lol.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Goss will woop boonens candy ass in a sprint he cares about, any day of the week

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Old 11-15-12, 18:26
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What does that have to do with anything?

Paolo Bettini is a bigger star than Vino and never won a GT or podiumed the Tour. So is Tom Boonen.

Do I give a damn about when Vino became a pro? Nope, his palmares is what it is. The fact that he became a pro very late also made it possible for him to have a longer career at old age.

Gilbert right now is well ahead of Vino though.
Sorry, i don't care how you try and spin it, becoming a pro late is a tremendous disadvantage not an advantage.
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Old 11-15-12, 18:30
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Yes, I'm comparing Vino and Gilbert when they were both 30. It's not even close.
By that logic- Roman kreuziger> cadel Evans.
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Sorry, i don't care how you try and spin it, becoming a pro late is a tremendous disadvantage not an advantage.
Yeah, but blood transfusions with someone else's blood gives you a tremendous advantage as well. When Phil is retired you can compare him to Vino. He's still in his prime now.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 11-15-12, 18:34
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He got banned for a reason lol. And even then it's still 14 seasons as he raced in 2009.

Let's also remove all his results he gained before his ban then if you're not counting doping bans. Because I'm sure he won quite a bit more then he normally would've with his doping program.
Vinos post ban results show he would have been just as competitive in a "clean" 2000's era.
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Vinos post ban results show he would have been just as competitive in a "clean" 2000's era.
He wasn't competitive for the win in GTs anymore nor in WT stage races.

I wish I could call Astana clean in 2009-2010, but we all know we can't. The USADA report is a smoking gun. I don't think his post ban results show anything of the sorts.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Yeah, but blood transfusions with someone else's blood gives you a tremendous advantage as well. When Phil is retired you can compare him to Vino. He's still in his prime now.
No it didn't. or do you think he was getting an advantage over lance and ullrich and contador?

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He wasn't competitive for the win in GTs anymore nor in WT stage races.
He was in his.mid to late 30's coming back from 2 years out. Of course he wasn't competitive in gts. Lance under those same circumstances also came absolutely nowhere close to his previous form.
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Old 11-15-12, 18:47
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No it didn't. or do you think he was getting an advantage over lance and ullrich and contador?



He was in his.mid to late 30's coming back from 2 years out. Of course he wasn't competitive in gts. Lance under those same circumstances also came absolutely nowhere close to his previous form.
Lance and Ullrich were retired in 2007. Wouldn't have much advantage on Contador though.

Cadel Evans was in his mid late 30s when he won the Tour after 2 poor years at the Tour. Lance still came third in the Tour under the same circumstances. They rode for the same team(Vino and Lance). And the USADA report knows why Lance got third.

Were there clean riders in 2007? Yeah, and they got screwed. No matter how much you try and justify the behavior of your hero.

Moncoutie won stages in the Tour, Vuelta, KoM titles in the Vuelta, smaller stage races, etc during one of the dirtiest era's in cycling and I do believe he did it all clean yes. Bassons is another guy that got screwed because of guys like Lance and Vino.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 11-15-12, 18:53
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Lance and Ullrich were retired in 2007. Wouldn't have much advantage on Contador though.

Cadel Evans was in his mid late 30s when he won the Tour after 2 poor years at the Tour. Lance still came third in the Tour under the same circumstances. They rode for the same team(Vino and Lance). And the USADA report knows why Lance got third.

Were there clean riders in 2007? Yeah, and they got screwed.
Lol wait, you whine that we have no evidence for Gilbert ever doping yet don't bat an eyelid at claiming you know for 100% certain vino doped after 09? Where is your proof?
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