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Old 11-13-12, 11:30
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Freire is part of the problem in cycling. Old school doper and believer in old ways about doping.

Need these people out of the sport.

The sport needs to for the next 8 years hand out large bans to doping, min 4 years for epo 1st offence. This can only be done by independent anti doping.

Miss 3 ooc tests 4 year ban.

That'll make the likes of Freire think about the sport in a new light!
exactly, he's one of many who have benefited massively from the dope-free culture in cycling.
The system as it existed has been good to them, so they won't spit on that system.
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again prooves organised doping was already out of teams like liberte seguros in 2005 and post fuentes
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Old 11-13-12, 11:46
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again prooves organised doping was already out of teams like liberte seguros in 2005 and post fuentes
How? Liberty had 100% organized doping, it's just that having neo-pros and the like ride clean to assess their potential would be part of this system.
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How? Liberty had 100% organized doping, it's just that having neo-pros and the like ride clean to assess their potential would be part of this system.
What would that tell us about Contador? Was he cleanish in 2004-2006? Especially if know there was an AC on the Fuentes-list? Not Contador or what?
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again prooves organised doping was already out of teams like liberte seguros in 2005 and post fuentes
Wow.. You just missed the whole idea of the systematic setup.
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What would that tell us about Contador? Was he cleanish in 2004-2006? Especially if know there was an AC on the Fuentes-list? Not Contador or what?
The AC in the Puerto files was indeed Contador. However, there were no blood bags and no training schedules with annotated doping intakes, as far as I know (some numbered pages are suspiciously missing from the dossier, and they correspond largely to the young guns at Liberty). In one page there was an annotation next to "AC" that said "nothing, or same as JJ".

Contador turned pro in 2003. It's possible that he was clean then - he certainly showed his class but without doing anything extraordinary. A large part of the Puerto papers are from 2004 or so, I think. Maybe by 2005 Manolo already felt he had assessed Contador's potential. Or, since he was such an obvious talent, maybe he was confident about his potential from the get go. Hell, maybe De Kort is lying. Who knows.

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I struggle to take De Kort seriously though, he has a permanent inferiority complex, not just on doping but on a lot of things.
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The AC in the Puerto files was indeed Contador. However, there were no blood bags and no training schedules with annotated doping intakes, as far as I know (some numbered pages are suspiciously missing from the dossier, and they correspond largely to the young guns at Liberty). In one page there was an annotation next to "AC" that said "nothing, or same as JJ".

Contador turned pro in 2003. It's possible that he was clean then - he certainly showed his class but without doing anything extraordinary. A large part of the Puerto papers are from 2004 or so, I think. Maybe by 2005 Manolo already felt he had assessed Contador's potential. Or, since he was such an obvious talent, maybe he was confident about his potential from the get go. Hell, maybe De Kort is lying. Who knows.
I am guessing that in 2004 Contador had other things to worry about than doping. Furthermore you wouldn't expect him to come back in 2005 doped to the gills after what he went through in 2004 (on the other hand we also thought that of Armstrong). And in 2006 the sh!t hit the proverbial fan, so it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities that AC did race cleanish in those years.
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I struggle to take De Kort seriously though, he has a permanent inferiority complex, not just on doping but on a lot of things.
That is no reason not to take him seriously. No offense meant, but that sounds like a remark that we heard time and again from the LA-camp.
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Old 11-16-12, 23:54
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http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral...-to-lose-faith

I have to say congratulations to the authorities who have done this, said Evans, in an interview with the Financial Review, referring to the USADA case into Lance Armstrong which saw him stripped of his seven Tour de France victories.

If someone is thinking they can take drugs as a sports person, they are going to be very scared of this whole affair because 15 years after they have won their race and passed their drug test they know it is possible they can be uncovered.

The 35 year old is also supportive of the investigation into Cycling Australia citing the phrase 'where there is smoke there is fire.'

I give a lot more credibility to someone who gets investigated and cleared than someone who isnt investigated at all, he says.

However Evans is critical of the treatment of some of the riders who have admitted to doping, such as the sacking of Matt White from his roles at Cycling Australia and Orica-GreenEdge.

I dont know if condemning those who come and tell the truth is a good thing as it doesnt encourage anyone else to come out and tell the truth.

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