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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2013 Tour
Alberto Contador 61 63.54%
Cristopher Froome 25 26.04%
Andy Schleck 6 6.25%
Vincenzo Nibali 2 2.08%
Cadel Evans / Teehay Van Garderen 2 2.08%
Ryder Hesjedal 1 1.04%
Alejandro Valverde / Juan Jose Cobo 1 1.04%
Other (specify) 1 1.04%
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Old 11-17-12, 17:36
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Why in gods name would anyone want that.
Because some of us on here like him Also, an in form Andy = Alberto's biggest challenge.
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nibali has had way more luck in opponents crashing out, or injuries by others or horrible starting fields in general like the vuelta he won.
I'd agree with you on the Vuelta, it wasn't the strongest field. But in his other most notable results (the 2010 and 2011 Giro, LBL this year, MSR this year, Tirreno) he did have good fields.

I just don't think a riders results or high ranking should be put down as happening just because the rider got lucky.
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I'd agree with you on the Vuelta, it wasn't the strongest field. But in his other most notable results (the 2010 and 2011 Giro, LBL this year, MSR this year, Tirreno) he did have good fields.

I just don't think a riders results or high ranking should be put down as happening just because the rider got lucky.
There is no doubt that Nibali is in the top 10 GC riders in the world at the moment. Possibly top 5. We can't keep waiting for riders like Kreuziger and Gesink to get the results they previously promised while Nibali has managed to do it. He has definitely improved while others have not. Not sure how Nibali would go against riders like Rodriguez and Ryder at the moment as he did not compete against them last year in a GT. Also hard to rate him against either of the Schleck brothers as he has not competed in a GT against them for a while either. As for top 10 riders based on all events, probably not, even though his rides at Tirreno, Milan and Liege were very good. Have to be close.
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I agree with hitch and at ferryman why would anyone like Andy
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Old 11-18-12, 10:57
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. Also hard to rate him against either of the Schleck brothers as he has not competed in a GT against them for a while either.
Actually the comparison with the schlecks is very easy, i have no idea what you see so hard about it.

Andy is clearly in a different league. You don't need some cyclist rating machine to show that AS is the 2nd best gt rider around and that guys like nibali wiggins purito ryder, simply don't have his ability.

As for the comparison with Frank, its a little bit closer but generally all round the younger man has far more qualities.
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Old 11-18-12, 12:16
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Actually the comparison with the schlecks is very easy, i have no idea what you see so hard about it.

Andy is clearly in a different league. You don't need some cyclist rating machine to show that AS is the 2nd best gt rider around and that guys like nibali wiggins purito ryder, simply don't have his ability.

As for the comparison with Frank, its a little bit closer but generally all round the younger man has far more qualities.
If that is true why has hasn't Andy ever won a GT on the road ? In 2010 he was definitely the second best GT rider in the world, in 2011 possibly but is he still ? Up until this year Evans could also be seen as the second best GT rider in the world. As a climber I agree I would rate Andy ahead of the riders you mentioned but as a performer over three weeks on all stages including TTs and intermediate stages I think the comparisons are not so clear cut. Would he still finish ahead of Nibali, Froome, Wiggins and Rodriguez now. The fact is if Schleck was good enough he should have beaten Contador in 2010 even without the dropped chain. Some people think the same of the Tour in 2011. Is he squandering his talent or is he just not good enough ? Apart from Rodriguez who has podiumed his past two GTs, all of the other riders you mentioned have won a GT on the road. He obviously believes he can still beat Contador because he keeps racing against him and he definitely believed he would beat Evans as in 2010 he did not even mention Evans as one of the riders to beat that year, and in 2011 once again it was Contador who he seemed to think was his only rival.
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Purito would go pretty close to (2011) Andy on the Tour 2013 route. I'd probably have him ahead.
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If that is true why has hasn't Andy ever won a GT on the road ? In 2010 he was definitely the second best GT rider in the world, in 2011 possibly but is he still ? Up until this year Evans could also be seen as the second best GT rider in the world. As a climber I agree I would rate Andy ahead of the riders you mentioned but as a performer over three weeks on all stages including TTs and intermediate stages I think the comparisons are not so clear cut. Would he still finish ahead of Nibali, Froome, Wiggins and Rodriguez now. The fact is if Schleck was good enough he should have beaten Contador in 2010 even without the dropped chain. Some people think the same of the Tour in 2011. Is he squandering his talent or is he just not good enough ? Apart from Rodriguez who has podiumed his past two GTs, all of the other riders you mentioned have won a GT on the road. He obviously believes he can still beat Contador because he keeps racing against him and he definitely believed he would beat Evans as in 2010 he did not even mention Evans as one of the riders to beat that year, and in 2011 once again it was Contador who he seemed to think was his only rival.

It is maybe a blem on Andy's career that he failed to beat The Great One in 2010, but he still dropped at will every other rider in the race. There is just no way nibali had he been there would have posed any sort of.challenge to either. He was struggling as it was with scarponi even though he had a 2 minute head start.

And its also a blem on his career that he doesn't try much in the season, but when he is on form, be it in a gt or a classic, nibali and the like don't stand a chance.
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Such a philosophical positioning and such a narrow-mindedness. Apparently, 2009 and 2010 is an eternal benchmark and everything which doesn't match it will be always handled like something wrong, oblique and 'lower-leagued'.

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Such a philosophical positioning and such a narrow-mindedness. Apparently, 2009 and 2010 is an eternal benchmark and everything which doesn't match it will be always handled like something wrong, oblique and 'lower-leagued'.
Lol all of a sudden you don't rate Andy schleck. Go figure.
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