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Old 11-20-12, 19:56
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What's wrong with Schulze and Radochla? Combined they have about 50 UCI wins.

Duran doesn't have a single one.

He had seven years to show himself as a pro and didn't fulfill expectations. To dominate the Spanish amateur circus like he did this year sounds harder than it is. Josť Belda (who?) scored in 2011 more than 30 wins alone, so Duran's 2012 score of 17 wins is not that extraordinary. Especially when you consider that the quality of the fields at those races has been rather miserable.

But yeah, of course failing Spanish climbers are more interesting than successful German (or any other nationality) sprinters.


Edit: just to be clear - Duran deserves a return to pro ranks. But Radochla and especially Schulze deserve it, too.
I donīt see any chance for my compatriots Schulze and Radochla in 2013. Not able to finish a GT, best placings maybe Top 10 in superflat 1.1 races.
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Old 11-20-12, 20:15
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I know who Josť Belda is. And you should know that I know.

But ask any other user here. Most will have never heard of this guy. By right.
so? nobody had heard of soler until the 2007 tour. that didn't mean he wasn't one of the best climbers in the world just before that. belda was the only one able to follow quintana this year in vuelta madrid queenstage until final km. so he's of incredible high level
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Schulze and Radochla are decent enough guys, and I have plenty of time for them. But they don't belong at Euskaltel, and they're both the wrong side of peak years. Durán has spent most of his time as a pro to date as a youngster and a domestique, and at 26 still has plenty of years to offer. He may not be a guy who kills the scene as a Pro. But he could well be a justifiable domestique at Euskaltel, or a guy who has a pretty good role at a team like Caja Rural, whilst riders like Txurruka and Velasco are still at Euskaltel.

Everything Pierre Cazaux had to say rings true.
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so? nobody had heard of soler until the 2007 tour. that didn't mean he wasn't one of the best climbers in the world just before that. belda was the only one able to follow quintana this year in vuelta madrid queenstage until final km. so he's of incredible high level
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Schulze and Radochla are decent enough guys, and I have plenty of time for them. But they don't belong at Euskaltel, and they're both the wrong side of peak years. DurŠn has spent most of his time as a pro to date as a youngster and a domestique, and at 26 still has plenty of years to offer. He may not be a guy who kills the scene as a Pro. But he could well be a justifiable domestique at Euskaltel, or a guy who has a pretty good role at a team like Caja Rural, whilst riders like Txurruka and Velasco are still at Euskaltel.

Everything Pierre Cazaux had to say rings true.
If that would be true, Euskaltel shouldn't have given a contract to Schulze & Radochla. If Euskaltel wanted to have a cozy little Basque squad, they should have aimed for a PCT license---which is fine. Or they should have kept guys like Castroviejo---which they did not because of a lack of money. Without money, without sufficient talent, you cannot enter the World Tour. Don't blame the system, blame the Euskaltel team.
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Old 11-20-12, 21:32
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If that would be true, Euskaltel shouldn't have given a contract to Schulze & Radochla. If Euskaltel wanted to have a cozy little Basque squad, they should have aimed for a PCT license---which is fine. Or they should have kept guys like Castroviejo---which they did not because of a lack of money. Without money, without sufficient talent, you cannot enter the World Tour. Don't blame the system, blame the Euskaltel team.
Did Cazaux not say that perhaps it would have been preferable for Euskaltel to be ProContinental and keep their soul? Because I agree with that too.

The system is the problem, Euskaltel are just the most obvious representation of what's wrong with it because they are the team most rigidly tied to an identity. What's happened to Euskaltel is an allegorical representation of the sport because they are an exaggerated form of it: its history of local support and tight-knit organisations ripped up and thrown out in favour of big budget, soulless corporate golems. Like Cazaux said, Mikel Nieve has managed the top 10 of two GTs, the top 5 of the Tour de Suisse and won one of the toughest stages in recent memory... and that counts for less in the eyes of the UCI than somebody who can come 7th in a few bunch sprints in Poland and Beijing, or managing to improve your GC position in Catalunya by coming 25th in the bunch instead of 30th.

Éric Boyer was calling the UCI out on the stupidity of this system back in 2009, and the points system has only got more stupid since. In my opinion it should be based on the points the team obtained the previous year, not the points the team has going forward including those obtained by new signings (thus rendering even the best domestiques more or less worthless), because if you sign for a new team that's your call, not mine. And if that means Euskaltel get 'relegated' that's fine, they should have done better in 2012, and can recruit to try to do so in 2013. If Lionel Messi signs for Deportivo Álaves, they don't get promoted because of the goals he scored for Barcelona.
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the system isn't the problem. it's the stupid obsession certain teams have with being wt. look at argos, that could've done any race and gt they wanted basically. euskaltel would get invited to tour and vuelta 90% I'd say and keep their fans.
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so? nobody had heard of soler until the 2007 tour. that didn't mean he wasn't one of the best climbers in the world just before that. belda was the only one able to follow quintana this year in vuelta madrid queenstage until final km. so he's of incredible high level
You're aware that Belda has been popped, right?
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santi perez signs with loule louletano
That's pretty un-shocking, at least once we knew Zaballa was back, so that 2010 Asturias stuff led to nothing.

In addition to DurŠn, that Bici article quoted earlier would seem to imply that Nuno Ribeiro stays at Efapel and doesn't move as was previously thought. They also note Joni Brand„o has signed at Efapel, and Hern‚ni Broco, who had been thought to have been returning to LA, is now down as an Efapel rider as well.

A bit of a merry-go-round in Portugal at the moment, it seems.
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