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Old 11-20-12, 22:43
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the system isn't the problem. it's the stupid obsession certain teams have with being wt. look at argos, that could've done any race and gt they wanted basically. euskaltel would get invited to tour and vuelta 90% I'd say and keep their fans.
It's not stupid, it's a result of the system.

If you are World Tour, you are guaranteed entry to all of the races your sponsor wants you to be at. If you are not, then you are not. And given that so many slots at important races are automatically allotted to the World Tour teams, leaving few Wild Cards, not being World Tour represents taking a substantial risk with the survival of your team.

Sure, it's likely that, say, Argos and Euskaltel would be invited to the races they most care about. But with each race, there's a risk that the powers that be decide that for whatever reason they are going to invite a Netapp or some other random unexpected team along with their local PC outfits. And then you are screwed.

If there was a smaller WT and many more wildcards, it might stop being rational for teams with relatively small budgets and relatively specialised rosters not to bother with it. But 18 teams guaranteed entry to each race makes it too much of a risk for anyone to pass it up if they can avoid doing so.
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Old 11-20-12, 22:55
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no I didn't. when was he caught? doesn't surprise me, my statement was merely to show that dominating the spanish elite racing is a pretty good level
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Old 11-21-12, 06:54
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I hope Gerdermann can find a WT team but if not could he go to IAM?
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Old 11-21-12, 09:06
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The system is the problem, Euskaltel are just the most obvious representation of what's wrong with it because they are the team most rigidly tied to an identity.
The system does not force Euskaltel to have a rigid identity. It is what they want themselves. That's okay (and admirable), but face the consequences.
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Old 11-21-12, 09:54
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Everybody wants to be WT because everybody wants te ride the Tour.
Euskaltel will get dropped right away I think. Their attacking breakaway climbers who never win can be easily replaced by French ones. Besides, they only really focus on 3 days in the Pyrenees and do nothing besides maybe 2 other hilly/mountain stages. Their GC guy Sanchez is getting older and is one the same level as 5 other GC guys. If they did not gave Menchov a wild card in 2010, they can easily drop Euskaltel.

Argos has the potential of bring some German attention back. And making the sprints in 7 stages more interesting. I think they have a good change but what if there is just one French WT team again and allmost all wild cards go to french teams?
And this year they have a good change, but what in 2013? Competing with your team on the highest level makes the individual riders better. If you're WT its easier to stay on that level, if your PC you will be ignored once in a while for the Tour and some Monuments.
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Old 11-21-12, 10:19
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Everybody wants to be WT because everybody wants te ride the Tour.
Euskaltel will get dropped right away I think. Their attacking breakaway climbers who never win can be easily replaced by French ones.
Agreed. Maybe not right away, but it's a legitimate concern. If either Lotto or Saxo won't be WT and Euskaltel wouldn't either... Euskaltel would likely be out as the other 3 wildcards will go to French teams.
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The system does not force Euskaltel to have a rigid identity. It is what they want themselves. That's okay (and admirable), but face the consequences.
Euskaltel got told they most likely wouldn't be invited to the Tour if they wouldn't be WT. So it was either sign some useless riders who happen to have points, or don't ride the Tour. And with cycling being a sport in which only one event really counts, I imagine that was an easy choice to make.

As Matthijs says, if I were ASO I would drop Euskaltel right away. The Basks only make a small market and you don't earn money by people standing at the side of the road. There are already too many people visiting the mountains to watch the Tour anyway, losing the Basks won't be a problem. If instead of Euskaltel you can get a German team, that is a good business decision. If you get a Colombian or Chinese team it is even better.
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Old 11-21-12, 10:24
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Well, technically Argos is a Dutch team, but I get that they have some good German riders and a Japanese co-sponsor as well.
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Euskaltel got told they most likely wouldn't be invited to the Tour if they wouldn't be WT.
I don't believe that is true. If you have a source article, please link it here.

If it is true however, being excluded from a race that suits the team best, it adds more proof to the fact that Euskaltel does not belong in the World Tour.
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Old 11-21-12, 15:38
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If it is true however, being excluded from a race that suits the team best, it adds more proof to the fact that Euskaltel does not belong in the World Tour.
How on Earth would potentially not being invited to an event because you come from too small a market in any way indicate that you don't belong in the World Tour?

Who belongs in the World Tour is decided by (arbitrary, silly, distorting to the sport, but nevertheless known to all in advance) points criteria. Euskaltel met those criteria. And they bring more to the sport than a billion dull sprinter's teams.
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