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Old 11-21-12, 19:13
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Yeah saw that too, exactly my thoughts. Would like to know more of the dynamic within the CPA and conclusions to Bugno on what to pursue with UCI. I suspect they are still a pretty divided bunch, and as long as that continues they will never get what they deserve from UCI. Cycling as a sport should be much more about the riders, their heroicism, their personal battles, and their suffering. Compare it to F1, what a dull sport, but what heroes are these guys turned into. Way too little cycling rider and team profiling done in the media, by both event organizers and UCI. But has to come from CPA, as do all the other things they should be demanding from/negotiating with the sports administrators. Way too passive in my view the CPA.
CPA just cosmetically following the strength.

This is the same organization that engineered an event start line protest against Jesus Manzano's revelations of doping.

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The final stage of the Setmana Catalana did not start on time Friday, as the 112 remaining riders held a two minute protest on the start line against the words of ex-professional Jesus Manzano, who has this week lifted the lid on alleged doping practices within the peloton. The majority of the riders signed a petition protesting Manzano's claims, as well as asking the Professional Cyclists Association to "restore the dignity of cycling."
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Old 11-21-12, 19:26
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CPA just cosmetically following the strength.

This is the same organization that engineered an event start line protest against Jesus Manzano's revelations of doping.
now THAT is interesting.
disturbing, mind-boggling stuff, really.
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would be very interesting to know who didn't sign the petition.
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Old 11-22-12, 16:11
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CPA just cosmetically following the strength.

This is the same organization that engineered an event start line protest against Jesus Manzano's revelations of doping.
Well that was in 2004..................
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Old 11-22-12, 16:34
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Well that was in 2004..................
.........those events are at 8-9 years old.

Cycling has moved on
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Old 11-22-12, 17:47
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.........those events are at 8-9 years old.

Cycling has moved on
I doubt the 22-23 year olds of today would engage in a demonstration like that.
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Old 11-22-12, 18:59
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Well that was in 2004..................
Check the history of CPA. CPA perceived in cycling as an ineffective organization with a close relationship with UCI.

Formed in 1999 in the wake of Festina 1998 to protect pro cyclists. First and long term head was Francesco Moser who admitted to EPO use and the application of blood doping to beat the hour record in 1984.

The head of CPA after Moser was Cedric Vasseur who rode on the US Postal team in 2000 & 2001.

Current head, Gianni Bugno, had failed drug tests during his pro career and was a client of Dr. Ferrari.

Act as a trade union for riders in rights, contract negotiations and representation on UCI Commissions.

On their web page claim one of their objectives is:

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They have been very quiet on this objective.

CPA have only jumped on the bandwagon in 2012 when they see that reform is going to occur in the light of the Armstrong Affair.

Pick any year from 1999 to 2011 and there is no evidence of CPA pushing an anti doping barrow.
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Old 11-22-12, 23:56
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Time for some of the 'clean'riders to step up and take CPA and cycling to the next level..
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I doubt the 22-23 year olds of today would engage in a demonstration like that.
Not in the same way, only because it would be comical. But, it doesn't mean they would not defend doping more artfully.

The idea that the UCI is under any pressure to change is a joke. What body has the authority or interest in cleaning up cycling for cycling's own good? None.

Again, the problem is not at the athlete's level. What incentive is there to run a relatively honest sport when the IOC, RCS, and ASO have zero interest in human-scale performance.
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Not in the same way, only because it would be comical. But, it doesn't mean they would not defend doping more artfully.

The idea that the UCI is under any pressure to change is a joke. What body has the authority or interest in cleaning up cycling for cycling's own good? None.

Again, the problem is not at the athlete's level. What incentive is there to run a relatively honest sport when the IOC, RCS, and ASO have zero interest in human-scale performance.
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Old 11-23-12, 23:52
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The UCI is not going to change. Look at today's news from the Polish cycling federation: A one race suspension for steroids? Then look at Weasel's domination of USAC. Then, there's the recent Australian scandals. Pro cycling isn't dirty from the top down. It's dirty from the bottom up (the national federations).

The riders are sheep. They do as they are told.

Pro cycling team ownership seems to me to be, in large part, a toy sport. Guys like Stapleton, Rihs, and Tinkov are operating their toy teams. Those teams are just tools for rich-guy ego fulfillment. Tinkov's and Rihs "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" approaches are utterly ignorant from a long-term sports marketing point of view, but make complete sense when viewed from the "I want my team to win" point of view. Then there are the organized doping teams . . . Liberty Seguros, Astana, etc.. . . . Those teams are not about sports marketing either--they are about "just win, baby." I don't see any change coming from the teams, either.

I don't foresee any change from the current structure. Cycling is going to remain the filthy niche sport that it has always been.

Now if somebody starts up a competing and professionally run league . . .. Then the existing pro racing structure will have to either shape up or die.

I'm not rooting for any changes at the UCI. I'm hoping that they fail, right and left. Maybe then somebody truly professional will start competing with them.
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