Originally Posted by Mellow Velo
It was Schumacher's break that Cancellara ate up for 10 minutes.
The dopers you name are all allegedly climbers, unlike Fabian.
Didn't figure you for a defender of Riis's riders.
No idea what Sky had to do with anything back in 2008.
They sure had zero to do with my post.
Not so much on fire as blowing a bit of smoke.
I didn't support Riis riders that year, I just find it very odd that Spartacus stood out for you. Yes I know what day you were referring to, but it was half a mountain and Bjarne had Cancellara, both Nikki Sorenson and Chris Anker Sorensen, the hardest man alive Jens Voigt and I think in the end Andy Schleck do pulls at the front. All of them put the hammer down for the entire day. Schumacher was waiting for Kohl and went very, very early in the break. Stupid move because it amounted to nothing. Yet he never paid for that effort. I'd wager Spartacus paid more because he was beaten again by Schumacher.
You're right, my apologies, had nothing to do with Sky. All their big names were absolutely garbage that year or early level pro's.
But seriously, everyone knows Ricco and his Saunier cohorts were the suspect ones that year. They were the odd looking ones. Hence the reaction when he was popped. It infuriated half the peloton and still does to this day. That's because of how out of this world he was. Cancellara was one hill. Ricco IMO was holding back. They hadn't of caught him, Tour win was his easy. Just like Rasmussen the year before, except this time Contador wasn't there to make it a little more bearable.
And Schumacher. Never believed him. When I heard a number of riders had been popped for CERA besides Ricco I knew who. Look at Cancellara at the Olympics the next month. Still utterly devastating. Schumacher was crap. That's the class part coming through. Kohl was believable because he never went above Evans or Sastre. Schumacher did. Only rider on Gerolsteiner who could, hence why he was the one in the move out the front that day. Look at him now. Just like Pellizotti. A shadow of his former self. Contrast with Fabian. He's still kicking the behinds of most riders. Hence less suspicious because he is all class.
Note I never said he was clean, just less suspicious because he is relatively constant. It's the big jumpers, the guys who improve beyond believe very quickly who are the dodgy ones. It's like playing with Plutonium. Everyone near those sorts gets dirty.
For the record, Bjarne needs to go. Like yesterday. No room left for him in the sport, despite the jobs he's given guys. He's the lesser of many evils. At least we know he admitted to doping other DS haven't even gone that far. And Contador though in a weird paradox, has stated life bans are needed. Maybe Riis had a part in that. Saxo in 2010 were a stronger team than 2008. 2009 they kind of weren't noticed because of Astana's super juggernaut team. But 2008 was not that teams strongest squad. IMO, slightly less opposing rivals, hence why they looked so dominant. Was just Evans, Kohl and Vande Velde against all of CSC and Cadel had to take them all on alone. I don't think Bjarne's team is clean, but they aren't the dirtiest nor the dodgiest IMO. Look at their ranking ATM. Just Contador holding CQ points for them and his ban penalty still holds. Not a super strong team ATM but a team that supports one leader who wins. Now contrast with Sky. Team of multiple leaders who can win. I know who I'd be targetting first if I was a tester or the fuzz.