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Old 12-03-12, 18:50
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Yeah I know you do. That's why you'll never understand it, you've been biased against it and intent on degrading it from the start without every actually bothering to learn what it's about, what it encompasses, and why it's necessary. It's the typical rightie knee-jerk "Big Government Takover of Health Care!", "Death Panels!", etc etc. The funny thing is that you guys started calling it Obamacare to tie what you thought was going to be a big failure along the lines of Clinton's health care initiative to Obama but the exact opposite happened. And now it's become law and "Obamacare" will historically be thought of as the first step in serious health care reform and (hopefully) the first serious step toward the type of universal health care the rest of the world has. And all thanks to governors like Rick Perry and Scott Walker, who, by refusing to implement the exchanges, allowed the feds to step in and run the exchanges in their states.

What, you mean those 17 Republican states? Huh, never, ever woulda guessed that governors like Rick Perry or Scott Walker would put ideology ahead of country. Who'da thunk it. Of course, what it means is that in those states the exchanges will be run by the feds, and once the ACA is fully in place and practice and people are receiving the full benefits they'll associate it with the federal government - and they'll also remember the Republicans who were against it and tried to block it - and eventually people will start looking for a simpler, federally-run universal system.

How ironic: 50 years from now it's very possilbe that "Obamacare" will be seen as the forerunner of the American universal health care system and it will have begun largely in states like Texas.
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you've been biased against it and intent on degrading it from the start without every actually bothering to learn what it's about, what it encompasses, and why it's necessary.
Yeah, one of the discoveries of my life has been the unmitigated success of big government

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And now it's become law and "Obamacare" will historically be thought of as the first step in serious health care reform and (hopefully) the first serious step toward the type of universal health care the rest of the world has.
Well, we can all hope, can't we?

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How ironic: 50 years from now it's very possilbe that "Obamacare" will be seen as the forerunner of the American universal health care system
Sure. It could also collapse under it's own weight (cost/complexity).
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Or we could pretend that any of the ideas that you seem to espouse would result in anything short of a sort of dark ages America where the wealthy all live in walled compounds with private armies of security guards to protect them from the unwashed masses.
Limited government = dark ages

Thriving economy = walled compounds

Okay. Got it.
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Or we could pretend that any of the ideas that you seem to espouse would result in anything short of a sort of dark ages America where the wealthy all live in walled compounds with private armies of security guards to protect them from the unwashed masses.
Now this is what I am looking forward to. There is a ton of work I can get for the security contracts for these rich cats. I got all the weapons so it is time to get this going.

I just bought a turret for my dodge pickup truck. Now I can switch between the MK19 or the 50 cal. depending on what the enemy is. You have to know when you need to but some rounds down range in a rapid fashion.

Anyhow I was surprised by this little fact today. The Myan calendar will end before the "fiscal cliff" so I am unclear and confused about why all this worry with the fiscal cliff. With the world coming to an end on the 21st what is going on with people? I just went out and bought a bunch of new stuff / BMW / House / sail boat / WEAPONS assault type.....why not...after the 21st the credit is forgiven.
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Got to start someplace. How far back should I have gone... Nixon?
Don't mention that Commie Nixon. Remember when he went over and got in bed with those red commie *******s in China? Man what a crook.

The other day someone asked me about having a bad day on the rig. I think it was BalaV. anyhow ...not really but I would say this is a bad day.
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Apparently you didn't even read the forbes link you posted.

Let's say I'm President. I'm elected and I inherit an economy that is on the brink of depression. The budget I'm working with when I'm sworn in is 3 Trillion. Then I get my way with a stimulus. That raises the next FY spend to 3.6 Trillion. The next year there's no "stimulus." But my spend stays at 3.5 Trillion. The next year there's no "stimulus." but my spend stays at 3.5 Trillion. The next year there's no "stimulus." But my spend increases to 3.6 trillion.

Now I can brag that I've had the slowest increase in spending in a century or more. Here's the best part: Some people actually buy it.
um, yeah, that's why there's been the slowest increase in spending in a century. Let's compare to the increase in spending under Bush:

http://ei.marke****ch.com/Multimedia...e-002128049ad6

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The big surge in federal spending happened in fiscal 2009, before Obama took office. Since then, spending growth has been relatively flat.
What the **** did you expect when you start two wars and introduce massive tax cuts at the same time? Of course deficits are going to increase. That was your guy who initiated out-of-control spending and you refuse to own it. You'd rather blame Obama for the result of Republican policies - conservatism is never wrong, even when it is.

Oh but wait, I keep forgetting, tax cuts pay for themselves.

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Limited government = dark ages
'Cept conservatives have no interest in limited government. But yes, I do agree with you that conservatism = dark ages, especially for women, gays, or minorities. And god help you if you're pregnant, cause your body belongs to Ken Cuccinelli and Rick Santorum now.

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um, yeah, that's why there's been the slowest increase in spending in a century. Let's compare to the increase in spending under Bush:

http://ei.marke****ch.com/Multimedia...e-002128049ad6



What the **** did you expect when you start two wars and introduce massive tax cuts at the same time? Of course deficits are going to increase. That was your guy who initiated out-of-control spending and you refuse to own it. You'd rather blame Obama for the result of Republican policies - conservatism is never wrong, even when it is.

Oh but wait, I keep forgetting, tax cuts pay for themselves.

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Has the socialist President taken responsibility / ownership of anything yet?

I saw that he did get a round of golf in with Clinton.
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Has the socialist President taken responsibility / ownership of anything yet?
Well, lesse...putting the economy back on track, introducing progressive health care reform, ending the war in Iraq, eliminating Osama bin Laden, saving the US auto industry, repealing DADT, reversing the Bush torture policies, expanding Pell grants and kicking banks out of the federal student loan program, creating Race to the Top, instituting higher CAFE standards, signing a new START treaty with Russia etc etc etc...yep, I'd say he's taken responsibility for and ownership of a lot of things. It's just that it's mostly stuff that works and stuff that conservatives hate.
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um, yeah, that's why there's been the slowest increase in spending in a century. Let's compare to the increase in spending under Bush:

http://ei.marke****ch.com/Multimedia...e-002128049ad6



What the **** did you expect when you start two wars and introduce massive tax cuts at the same time? Of course deficits are going to increase. That was your guy who initiated out-of-control spending and you refuse to own it. You'd rather blame Obama for the result of Republican policies - conservatism is never wrong, even when it is.

Oh but wait, I keep forgetting, tax cuts pay for themselves.

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um, yeah, that's why there's been the slowest increase in spending in a century. Let's compare to the increase in spending under Bush:
Okay. One more time.

Obama started with a budget 20% higher than the year prior and never dialed it back.

Even by government standards, 20% increase in one year is a bunch, wouldn't you say?

You realize if we'd go back to spending the last year of Bush Presidency the deficit would be 60% lower than it was last year, right?

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Bush spent like a drunken sailor. Most conservatives were not happy about it. Then Obama doubled the deficit every year since. If Bush was bad, Obama is bad X 2.

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