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View Poll Results: Who is the best talent?
Thibaut Pinot 45 32.61%
Nairo Quintana 93 67.39%
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Old 12-04-12, 20:26
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Yes, I agree with you. Quintana definitely has shown more talent, as well as great potential to be a GT contender. I would say Pinot's 10th in the Tour shows the most potential to be a GT contender at this point. I think we'll have to see how Quintana does in a GT with full leadership before we can declare him to definitely be a GT contender.



Go watch Giro dell'Emilia this year, and then tell us if Pinot has more potential in the hilly classics. Quintana was amazing in it, his first attack reduced the peloton into a handful of just a few riders, then his 2nd attack dropped everyone. Plus there was also his 11th in Lombardia.
I have already watched The Giro Dell Emilia. In Quintana's biography in the first page i wrote about this win. Yes, Quintana was amazing but i think Thibaut has the conditions to be better hily classics than Nairo. I see him as a Fleche Wallonnie and Lombardie future winner.
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Old 12-04-12, 20:34
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quintana is less explosive but he is able to go away from the peloton and keep going building big gaps.
in route du sud he destryed everybody and was able to stay away for a long time increasing progressively his advantage
he is super strong and he is very good in descending.
i hope unzue stops using hm as a domestique for valverde.

pinot also is very strong uphill but he is very bad in placing himself in the peloton. he is not able to stay in the first half of the peloton and he needs to be helped all the time.
very bad in descending, especially if he is alone ( normally, but in his win in the tour he was able to stay away...) . he can improve tt.

i choose quintana but pinot is very strong and exciting.
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Old 12-04-12, 21:21
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I have already watched The Giro Dell Emilia. In Quintana's biography in the first page i wrote about this win. Yes, Quintana was amazing but i think Thibaut has the conditions to be better hily classics than Nairo. I see him as a Fleche Wallonnie and Lombardie future winner.
Wait, Quintana does already have a biography?
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Old 12-04-12, 21:25
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Wait, Quintana does already have a biography?
A summary of his career. In the first page.
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Old 12-04-12, 21:34
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Giro dell'Emilia isn't really that good an indicator for hilly classics as it's far harder than any of the Ardennes and is as close to a "mountain-classic" you can get.

To me it seems like Pinot is more explosive/punchy, so I'd think he has more potential in the hills. He has never done any hilly classics in form, though, so it's hard to know. Quintana was never seen in the front in the short "walls" in the Vuelta, which goes to show that his abilities in short hills are limited.
how about lombardia in the rain?
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LOL. Thibaut Pinot is more explosive, by far has more punch than Nairo and because of this has more potential as a hilly classics rider. We'll see it in 2013. Also Thibaut has demonstrated yet that he can be up there in the hardest 3 weeks GT of the world.
Hello? Quintana won Giro dell Emilia, the Italian Fleche Wallone. And finished 11th in Lombardia

What the f. has Pinot every done in classics? I had both Pinot and Quintana in a CQ ranking based game last year, Quintana brought me a lot more. Pinot was only good for june and july sadly.
This is also because Pinot's base level is not so high, he can't keep a high level all year long (also logical with his age, he still has time), whereas Quintana already has a high level all year long, and performed much better in hilly classic type races
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Old 12-04-12, 22:24
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Hello? Quintana won Giro dell Emilia, the Italian Fleche Wallone. And finished 11th in Lombardia

What the f. has Pinot every done in classics? I had both Pinot and Quintana in a CQ ranking based game last year, Quintana brought me a lot more. Pinot was only good for june and july sadly.
This is also because Pinot's base level is not so high, he can't keep a high level all year long (also logical with his age, he still has time), whereas Quintana already has a high level all year long, and performed much better in hilly classic type races
The last year: 9th in Beghelli, race winned by Pozzato. 3rd in Tre Valli Varesine winned by Rebellin. Stage of St Savin (Rhone-Alpes Isère Tour)
In 2010: 14th in Montreal and 15th in Paris Camembert in his first professional season with 20 years. So those are the arguments. I dont write things without them. And i continue thinking the same. Pinot has more potential as a classics rider.
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and where is your proof that pinot has the engine to go 250 km in a classic?
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Old 12-04-12, 22:59
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Yeah, TVV is a good example of Pinot's qualities on an uphill finish.

He did finish 10th in the Tour, but was 1 bad day away from finishing 6th.

Quintana is very talented, but I really wish that people would stop using Route du Sud where Hubert Dupont was his main rival as an example of his abilities...
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Giro dell'Emilia isn't really that good an indicator for hilly classics as it's far harder than any of the Ardennes and is as close to a "mountain-classic" you can get.

To me it seems like Pinot is more explosive/punchy, so I'd think he has more potential in the hills. He has never done any hilly classics in form, though, so it's hard to know. Quintana was never seen in the front in the short "walls" in the Vuelta, which goes to show that his abilities in short hills are limited.
But what race has Pinot done well in that is of the same level as Emilia, Tre Valli Varesine is the only one that comes to mind. But I rate Quintana's competition at Emilia as higher than what Pinot had at TVV (plus Quintana won). And there is also, as Ryo said, his performance at Lombardia.

Not to say that Pinot can't or won't be a great hilly classics rider, but based on results (and from how Quintana won emillia and how he rode in Lombardia) I rate him as slightly better for the hilly classics at this point.
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