Originally Posted by ferryman
To be fair to JF, I don't think he has submitted any complaints. But most of the complaints received so far in my role of mod have been by Sky fans (my perception, don't go ape) on the Sky thread.
I really don't think they are trying to get anything shut down. Just a wee bit misleaded
I don't know what to say.
Recently I've opened to excellent threads; One was "what's constitutes proof of doping" the other "when did cycling become 'clean'?"
There was excellent points made from several posters. I observed and really enjoyed the comments made by all on those specific threads. I don't see a lot of others opening such threads. They just block conversation on Sky threads with "there's no proof" etc. and "where's the link?"
Those two threads were born out of the Sky thread and provided excellent debate which enrich this forum.
To the jokes on the Sky thread; if you can't laugh at yourself who can you laugh at? Sometimes humor is the only was to show irony or bring to the table a point.
If better I'm happy to withdraw from Sky related threads. If that makes others feel more comfortable I'll do so. I don't post everyday but like to offer a counter balance of the doping culture in cycling and sometimes that's best done in jest.
Re: Ferrari. Ferrari has been a major influence in cycling for the last 20 years. He solely has had the biggest impact on cycling by any one person in this timeframe. Is he still being consulted? Yes he is. Is he working with Sky? I don't know. But I believe through the information and links that I've shown that there is a possibility that he is. The weight loss, the power, the training bases etc. all point to a possibility that he MIGHT be consulting with them.
Many know about Richie Porte and the "off the record" comments he made in relation to Sky. No there's no link but doesn't mean he hasn't spoken and that people don't know about it.
If people want me off the Sky threads I'll refrain from posting to them. But it's my feeling after what we saw in 2012 that Sky at minimum are suspicious. Is it not fair that I shouldn't write that I'm skeptical? and throw in some humor to keep the debate flowing?
Are we all really that serious that we can't have a laugh and debate cycling's biggest cancer ? - doping.
Believe me there are several forums around where you can talk about Sky with no doping talk and revel in their success.
Do we really want to not voice some skepticism? Especially after the way that cycling has gone in the last 20 years.
My view is that some need to lighten up and maybe throw some humor back at why they think Sky are the real deal.
I'm good with that.