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View Poll Results: Better Cobblestone rider: Boonen or Cancellara?
Boonen 76 52.05%
Cancellara 70 47.95%
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Old 12-07-12, 18:19
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Aren't tt's the best indication of the power and/or endurance (and versatility) of a rider?

You're right. Vanderaerden was the last before Cancellara but the tt specialists of these last decades did not even show up at Paris-Roubaix out of lack of interest, I think.

But it's starting to change now, I think. Phinney is definitely a potential winner. Boom can also do great, for sure.
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Old 12-07-12, 19:43
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Boonen - because he rides Paris-Roubaix without gloves.
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Old 12-07-12, 20:03
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Did you even read my post?

"Correct mind set, Tony Martin is afraid of going over cobbles at suicide pace."

Just because you have the correct mind set for a time trial doesn't mean you have what it takes to ride over the cobbles at "suicide pace". Most of the riders that won Roubaix solo aren't time trial specialists. O'Grady, Vansummeren, Boonen, Museeuw, etc
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Time trialing is more than just lots of training on a TT bike, being aero, and knowing the route. You have to have the strength and mentality to keep yourself going at a hard pace (close to, at, or even above your max) over a given distance. And this is the part of time trialing that will help a rider when they go solo in a cobbled race.
Having the mentality to go hard of cobbles is just something I slipped in there, having the strength to do this is more what my post was about. Some riders can't do this, see Schleck. Not to say a rider that is not a TT specialist can't go solo on the cobbles as well, but the better a rider is at doing this in the TT the more it will help them if they try to go solo.

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Apart from Cancellara, non of the winners of the last 25 years was a great Time Trialist. (The last one that could classify as one, should have been Vanderaerden in 87)

You need power, not TT skills.
It's not TT "skills" that can help a rider in a cobbled race.
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Old 12-07-12, 20:18
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Aren't tt's the best indication of the power and/or endurance (and versatility) of a rider?
In my mind yes. Mental strength as well.
Now for positioning, explosiveness/sprinting and general race understanding it tells us very little naturally.

Bike racer:
Cancellara > Boonen

Cobbles racer:
Boonen > Cancellara
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Old 12-07-12, 20:55
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In my mind yes. Mental strength as well.
Now for positioning, explosiveness/sprinting and general race understanding it tells us very little naturally.

Bike racer:
Cancellara > Boonen

Cobbles racer:
Boonen > Cancellara
He's great at ruining bike races. *cough* Tour de France *cough*
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-07-12, 21:01
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He's great at ruining bike races. *cough* Tour de France *cough*
yeah, but the 200 other clowns should have shut down the one man show.
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Old 12-07-12, 22:41
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Boonen - because he rides Paris-Roubaix without gloves.
Doesn't he ride without gloves by default? That's the only thing I do just like him
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Old 12-07-12, 22:50
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I agree with Pistolero about Thomas. Really what has he done in a classic that is so spectacular? He may have the potential but it's not like he has shown it already. This also applies for Stannard by the way..... Sorry I just can't forget the "Hayman/Stannard/Thomas" should be protected riders on a cobblestone race in a team with Flecha and Hagen (to a smaller extent). There are some unbelievable ideas in this forum from time to time
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Old 12-08-12, 06:31
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IMO if both are at their peak Cancellara will win.

Boonen has been wonderful over the years and has the better record ,but as the 2010 Ronde showed if Cancellara is at his peak he's unstoppable.
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Old 12-08-12, 07:24
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I agree with Pistolero about Thomas. Really what has he done in a classic that is so spectacular? He may have the potential.
This is confusing, because what pistrollero said was that thomas doesnt have any potential.
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