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Old 12-08-12, 03:58
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Girlfriends and wives have known to be 100% impartial when it comes to their partners doping.

History has shown that the wives and girlfriends of riders don't tolerate their boyfriends/husbands doping...
Or help them. Or hide with them in the apartment until the vampire leaves.
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Old 12-08-12, 08:06
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Map showing countries with corresponding rates of Schistosomiasis (aka Bilharzia or Bilharziasis):



So even with the rate previously described, it seems like Kenya's actually not one of the worst places for incidence of the disease, with Niger and Angola being the worst-affected, followed by Mali and Mozambique. Still, it's a significantly higher risk than anywhere with any kind of cycling tradition with the exception of Eritrea.

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These, as usual, are not.
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Old 12-08-12, 09:10
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As Bilharzia affects rbc's there are some interesting issues/questions:
- to what extent has this negated his blood passport history as readings will be nigh impossible to interpret
- what TUE's have been approved to date
- has Froome ever received EPO or similar rbc/haem replacement/boosters
- is there any possibility that a latent virus infection, whilst suppressed, indirectly overstimulates endogenous EPO production. If so can the parasite treatment be considered performance enhancing? Compare this line of thinking with the debate about Pistorius' blades if he were to actually have won a medal...
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As Bilharzia affects rbc's there are some interesting issues/questions:
- to what extent has this negated his blood passport history as readings will be nigh impossible to interpret
- what TUE's have been approved to date
- has Froome ever received EPO or similar rbc/haem replacement/boosters
- is there any possibility that a latent virus infection, whilst suppressed, indirectly overstimulates endogenous EPO production. If so can the parasite treatment be considered performance enhancing? Compare this line of thinking with the debate about Pistorius' blades if he were to actually have won a medal...
Would this not show up in testing?
Medical information can be viewed as private (I wouldn't want everyone to know I was on anti-depressants, for example) but I think cycling fans have a right to more information in this case. As soon as I hear the word blood, I am suspicious.
I remember Phil Liggett talking about Lance near the beginning, saying how impressed he was with Lances knowledge of his disease/body and how its affected by different things....it just rang alarm bells with me (though not with Phil!!)
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IF his gf said it then it is obviously true.
Just ask Riccardo Ricco' ...
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Old 12-08-12, 13:38
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Thanks for posting this.
Constructive input to the debate.

These, as usual, are not.
Well wadda ya know. Neither is this.

Another "mellow" post from a fellow known to bellow at those who think the yellow from 2012 is not quite kosher.

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Well wadda ya know. Neither is this.

Another "mellow" post from a fellow known to bellow at those who think the yellow from 2012 is not quite kosher.

#icantbelieveitsnotbutter
OK, let's just see what we have here.
3 posters who all believe Sky dope.
However, LS is also prepared to produce some real, solid
info on Bilharzia for folks to look at and is certainly of consideration.
LS is also prepared to entertain the idea that it would most likely be contracted in Kenya.
LS deserves both credit and proper responses for sound research.

Instead, we get some utter nonsense about sharing a contaminated needle, which would probably have to be with some Angolan and then scorn for the gf for suggesting the most likely method of contraction.

This, from those who were complaining about the Sky thread highjacked and turned into farce by Sky fanboys.

Here's something a bit more constructive. First paragraph:
http://www.cttm-kenya.com/docs/schisto.pdf

Certainly seems to be rife in Kenya's lakes etc.

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According to the scientist ,between 10-100 percent of people living along Lake Victoria are affected with the bilharzia parasite thus the need to eradicate the scourge in the region.
http://blog.jaluo.com/?p=13267

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In fact, according to the WHO, Kenya is one of the 11 countries in eastern and southern Africa with a high burden of bilharzia, which is also known as Schistosomiasis.
However, Kenya hopes to eliminate the disease within the next 5 years:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/747475.shtml
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OK, let's just see what we have here.
3 posters who all believe Sky dope.

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More than 3 I would guestimate.

Sky have done nothing to dispel the suspicion about them. Every thing they have done since USADA has pointed to them trying their best to offload those creating the suspicions without offloading Wiggo and Froome.
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The anti-doping posters in the Clinic pointing the fingers at Sky and getting labeled "haters" pale into insignificance compared to how Wiggins and Sky in general treat Froome. It's ridiculous.

Froome is with Sky. Sky is even burnt into his leg because their knicks are not sun-proof where the Sky letters are printed.

Wiggins, by hating Froome, is the biggest Sky hater around. He even lambasted the poor fellow in a publicly published biography. A biography he's getting paid to write and publish... and denigrate a Sky pro cycling team member. Hater extraordinaire.
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More than 3 I would guestimate.

Sky have done nothing to dispel the suspicion about them. Every thing they have done since USADA has pointed to them trying their best to offload those creating the suspicions without offloading Wiggo and Froome.
I think you may have missed the point.
It was simply about taking the Bilharzia debate
offline and back to it's lowest common denominator.
Not about camp numbers.
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