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Old 12-08-12, 15:45
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Neither do I. I don't fly Southwest either.
Just out of interest and with no intent of sidetracking the main discussion, what's wrong with Southwest? I'm curious because when, for example, I want to fly from Baltimore to Indy, there is only one direct, non-stop option, and that's Southwest. Since they still let you take one piece of baggage without charging extra, and the miserly bag of peanuts notwithstanding, I have no complaints about Southwest. Are they 'socialist' or something?
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Old 12-08-12, 16:16
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It's an issue of exploitation. Since ideas can't be controlled, nor primary and secondary resources that the market determines, well then it's labor that can be taken advantage of. No?

$100 per diem isn't the question, rather it's what does it cost to live with basic dignity? Even better, what factors determine that cost?
Go ahead and try to define that.
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Old 12-08-12, 16:19
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Just out of interest and with no intent of sidetracking the main discussion, what's wrong with Southwest? I'm curious because when, for example, I want to fly from Baltimore to Indy, there is only one direct, non-stop option, and that's Southwest. Since they still let you take one piece of baggage without charging extra, and the miserly bag of peanuts notwithstanding, I have no complaints about Southwest. Are they 'socialist' or something?
Nothing at all. I've flown them before and I was not impressed. I been to wal mart a few times and was not impressed there either.

Some things are worth paying more for and that's just a personal opinion of mine.
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....methinks that our dear forum friend and defender of all things wrong wing simply doesn't want to share air with the low class rabble that tends to avail itself of Southwest's services....its kinda like a moral entitlement thang that is part and parcel of being truly wrong wing.....and in related news, yes, according to peer-reviewed reports, he does, like all good wrong wingers, wear asbestos lined underwear ....


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As usual you assume things that are wrong.

I completely get the Southwest model. It's a huge success story. I don't fly Southwest for the same reason I don't shop at wal mart.

Is that ok with you?
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Go ahead and try to define that.
Usually it has to do with having the basic living requirements: essential food and water, a home, the possibility of getting medical treatment when necessary, in the modern state access to a proper education.

Having a 1 million dollar home, a Ferrari (if one likes that sort of luxury), an in house movie theater, swimming pool, a second home in the Caribbean, ski vacations in the region of choice, however, do not apply. They are superfluous and thus not to be accounted for within a certain logic of minimum wage.

When the aforementioned, though, are not considered within that logic, then the logic is wrong and here we return to the previous concept of exploitation.

It really is that simple and an issue that could simply be resolved with the right political will, which, though, in our age of market hegemony, will never happen.

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Old 12-08-12, 19:43
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....well....well...you're right I am assumimg stuff...like the idea that you are a dyed in the wool wrong winger ( which most people here would agree is a pretty darn safe assumption )....and upon that assumption I transposed the findings of a very large trans-national meta-study that is discussed in the following article ( something about wrong wingism being a form of insanity )....

...here is the article...hope you like it...I certainly did !....

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A few years ago I was standing on the deck of a beach house on the 4th of July and a person who had obviously drunk too much told me, “The secret of my life is that I always need someone to hate.”

I was reminded of this exchange while watching the stupendously ruthless Republican National Convention over the last several days.Is there anything that conservatives do not hate?Maybe drilling.In fact, they appear utterly phallically obsessed with drilling (a practice that, in about 10 years or so, might reduce gas prices by 2 or 3 cents per gallon).But otherwise, what we learned from the recent hatefest is that Republicans hate community organizers, liberals (surprise!), Madonna, the “east coast elite,” the “angry left” media, trial lawyers, people who are too smart, people who are “cosmopolitan”—the list goes on into eternity.

Listening to this litany on Wednesday night in particular reminded me of a research article that came out roughly 5 years ago on political conservatism and motivated social cognition (Jost, Glaser, Kruglanski & Sulloway, “Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition,” Psychological Bulletin).In a nutshell, the article—by Stanford and UC Berkeley researchers—seems to suggest that conservatism is a mild form of insanity.

Here are the facts.A meta-analysis culled from 88 samples in 12 countries, and with an N of 22,818, revealed that “several psychological variables predicted political conservatism.”Which variables exactly?In order of predictive powereath anxiety, system instability, dogmatism/intolerance of ambiguity, closed-mindedness, low tolerance of uncertainty, high needs for order, structure, and closure, low integrative complexity, fear of threat and loss, and low self-esteem.The researchers conclude, a little chillingly, that “the core ideology of conservatism stresses resistance to change and a justification of inequality.”

The above list of variables is more than a little unsavory.We are talking about someone full of fear, with a poor sense of self, and a lack of mental dexterity.I always tell my students that tolerance of ambiguity is one especially excellent mark of psychological maturity.It isn’t a black and white world.According to the research, conservatives possess precisely the opposite:an intolerance of ambiguity and an inability to deal with complexity.Maybe that’s one reason why Obama seems so distasteful to them:he is a nuanced, multi-faceted thinker who can see things from several different perspectives simultaneously.And he isn’t preaching fear, either.

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....from... http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-form-insanity

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Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.

All psychobabble aside, they left a couple things out of the sentence. Had it read something like;

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he is a nuanced, multi-faceted ideologue who's incompetence is plain to see for those that bother to look. He sees a liberal utopia from several different perspectives simultaneously leading him to attack success to a degree rarely seen in modern American politics.
it may be more accurate.
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....and btw...are you presently taking anything for your condition ( beside really good suds )....because if you aren't do your doctors think people on this forum may be in danger ?...because article seemed pretty dire and serious...

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Ever wonder why the most effed up people wind up in the psychology field? Heal thyself I guess...
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Old 12-08-12, 19:51
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Usually it has to do with having the basic living requirements: essential food and water, a home, the possibility of getting medical treatment when necessary, in the modern state access to a proper education.

Having a 1 million dollar home, a Ferrari (if one likes that sort of luxury), an in house movie theater, swimming pool, a second home in the Caribbean, ski vacations in the region of choice, however, do not apply. They are superfluous and thus not to be accounted for within a certain logic of minimum wage.

When the aforementioned, though, are not considered within that logic, then the logic is wrong and here we return to the previous concept of exploitation.

It really is that simple and an issue that could simply be resolved with the right political will, which, though, in our age of market hegemony, will never happen.
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Usually it has to do with having the basic living requirements: essential food and water, a home, the possibility of getting medical treatment when necessary, in the modern state access to a proper education.
If your bar is that low then I guess we are doing pretty good over here.

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Having a 1 million dollar home, a Ferrari (if one likes that sort of luxury), an in house movie theater, swimming pool, a second home in the Caribbean, ski vacations in the region of choice, however, do not apply. They are superfluous and thus not to be accounted for within a certain logic of minimum wage.
If that's what motivates someone to become successful then, assuming they do it legally, God Bless them.

There is true exploitation in this world. Choosing to work for wal mart ain't it.
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Old 12-08-12, 21:34
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If your bar is that low then I guess we are doing pretty good over here.



If that's what motivates someone to become successful then, assuming they do it legally, God Bless them.

There is true exploitation in this world. Choosing to work for wal mart ain't it.
Aside from the subhuman management conditions of which I'm sure you're aware, I don't think many perceive it as a choice. For many reasons. That's not to say that they shouldn't and maybe there is an element of will in it, but you and I have always the luxury of looking at that situation and passing. I'm not sure some do from day one.

I'd put the bar for dignity a little bit higher. A workable community might need to play into it.
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Old 12-08-12, 22:02
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...not as much as would suit you though in a similar vein I often wonder why so many psychopaths end up in the CEO field....

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Hmmm. Should be easy for you to name a few then.

There are over 5,000,000 CEO's in the US. Do you think psychopaths as CEOs are more or less representative than the average population?

I could name a few psychopaths that were never CEOs. I guess in your world there's some conclusion to be drawn there, right?
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