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Old 12-08-12, 19:25
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Yeah .and thomas is 26. Evans improved so why is it seen as so obsurd that thomas can improve?
And thomas was leading P-R with 15 km to go last year?
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And thomas was leading P-R with 15 km to go last year?

Dude are you for real? Riders who arent already contending for the top races cant improve? Only riders who are actually in with a shot for a monument or gt can experience "improvement" everyone else is doomed to remain at the same level for the rest of their careers?

This is honestly the dumbest thing i ever heard on the forum and that includes stuff pistrollero said?
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Old 12-08-12, 20:37
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I guess we are going to see in april
who the best collbestone rider is
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Dude are you for real? Riders who arent already contending for the top races cant improve? Only riders who are actually in with a shot for a monument or gt can experience "improvement" everyone else is doomed to remain at the same level for the rest of their careers?

This is honestly the dumbest thing i ever heard on the forum and that includes stuff pistrollero said?
I didn't say that, and it isn't my opinion. It is *you* who used Evans as example, and I just showed why he isn't comparable with Thomas. Ten years ago was December 2002 *after* Evans' Giro performance....
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I guess we are going to see in april
who the best collbestone rider is
Yup. That's why this thread is so useless. Even if you determine who the best cobble rider is, you're still gonna watch next spring who can win the big classics. There aren't many certainties in cycling, a lot can happen in the coming four months.
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Old 12-08-12, 21:30
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Dude are you for real? Riders who arent already contending for the top races cant improve? Only riders who are actually in with a shot for a monument or gt can experience "improvement" everyone else is doomed to remain at the same level for the rest of their careers?

This is honestly the dumbest thing i ever heard on the forum and that includes stuff pistrollero said?
I ask you again for the final time. Where has Thomas shown any potential at Roubaix that I need to include him on my list?

If he shows potential next year good for him, but for now he hasn't.

Yeah he can improve, but so can just about every cyclist lol.

Froome had shown no potential before the Vuelta in 2011 yet he came second. EBH showed great potential in 2009 yet has stagnated until recently.

I ask you again, exactly what potential has Geraint Thomas shown so far in Roubaix that I need to include him in my Cancellara list? Must I include every single person that can improve?

Getting third, fourth or even 15th in your very first Paris-Roubaix, that is potential. Finishing 64th in your first Roubaix and abandoning in your second Roubaix really isn't.

For all I know Moreno Moser will win Roubaix one day, but he sure as hell hasn't shown the potential to win it yet.
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I didn't say that, and it isn't my opinion. It is *you* who used Evans as example, and I just showed why he isn't comparable with Thomas. Ten years ago was December 2002 *after* Evans' Giro performance....
Yes you are saying that you are saying that in this post even.

The argument is about whether riders coming from different sports have later improvements.
I used Evans as an example of a rider who comes from another sport and improves into his 30's.
And yet you are insisting that we cant use Evans because he is better.

So even if you were merely using the "Evans almost won the giro" comment to show off that you watched the race or whatever, in the context of the actual discussion , your insistence that Evans cannot be used as a comparison because he is better comes acrross as making the point that weaker riders dont improve.

Because you are introducing the variable of "ability" into the question.

Either way, if you really do believe that Thomas cant follow the same improvement pattern as Evans because he isnt as good a rider, then take a look at wiggins.
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so.if i said to you 10 years ago that cadel evans, coming from.mtb still has potential. You would have argued till the cows came.home.that he is an.overated anglophone who woll never get those years back?
the rider who was close to win the giro as a 25 year old?
yeah .and thomas is 26. Evans improved so why is it seen as so obsurd that thomas can improve?
and thomas was leading p-r with 15 km to go last year?
dude are you for real? Riders who arent already contending for the top races cant improve? Only riders who are actually in with a shot for a monument or gt can experience "improvement" everyone else is doomed to remain at the same level for the rest of their careers?

This is honestly the dumbest thing i ever heard on the forum and that includes stuff pistrollero said?
i didn't say that, and it isn't my opinion. It is *you* who used evans as example, and i just showed why he isn't comparable with thomas. Ten years ago was december 2002 *after* evans' giro performance....
yes you are saying that you are saying that in this post even.

The argument is about whether riders coming from different sports have later improvements.
I used evans as an example of a rider who comes from another sport and improves into his 30's.
And yet you are insisting that we cant use evans because he is better.

So even if you were merely using the "evans almost won the giro" comment to show off that you watched the race or whatever, in the context of the actual discussion , your insistence that evans cannot be used as a comparison because he is better comes acrross as making the point that weaker riders dont improve.

Because you are introducing the variable of "ability" into the question.

Either way, if you really do believe that thomas cant follow the same improvement pattern as evans because he isnt as good a rider, then take a look at wiggins.
Difference is that Evans improved from being a 25 year old close to win the Giro -> Tour winner.

If Thomas improved similarly he would go from 64th to ~20th.

And it didn't come across as if you meant *that* as improvement...

Bottom line yes he can improve. But no way he will reach the level of Boom or Phinney
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Old 12-09-12, 01:12
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Yup. That's why this thread is so useless. Even if you determine who the best cobble rider is, you're still gonna watch next spring who can win the big classics. There aren't many certainties in cycling, a lot can happen in the coming four months.
Everything we do on here is useles--especially during the off season! Now I'm off to vote in more polls.
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Difference is that Evans improved from being a 25 year old close to win the Giro -> Tour winner.
And wiggins improved from being someone who would struggle to finish in the top half of Letappe du Tour to a TDF winner

And no way is G only the 62nd best PR rider.
He came 2nd in the TDF stage (positioning cant be that bad when the other 5 riders in the group were 3 gt contenders and the 1-2 from PR that year)
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