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Old 12-11-12, 07:44
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Useless Corrupt Incompetent ...that is all.




Who's up for a letter writing campaign, I say we petition UCI to kick Argos out, and give Katusha their spot.
you mean Euskaltel, no?
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Old 12-11-12, 08:40
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Great, now we get to see Argos stink up any race with a mountain in it even worse than GreenEdge. All year long.
Greenedge have been better and more visible in the (bigger) mountainous races than Euskaltel. Just sayin'.

Not that I expect Argos to do the same, but your Greenedge hate is a bit ridiculous after the season they've had.
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Old 12-11-12, 08:43
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It will be ok, I will just forget they are in the race.
Wait, it just sunk in that they will be doing the Giro

Can't see Degenkolb backing up after the classics, so it will be Reinardt + 8.

Hopefully it means they don't invite NetApp.
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Old 12-11-12, 09:07
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Greenedge have been better and more visible in the (bigger) mountainous races than Euskaltel. Just sayin'.

Not that I expect Argos to do the same, but your Greenedge hate is a bit ridiculous after the season they've had.
forgive me, but in what gt were they any force then in the mountains?
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Old 12-11-12, 09:12
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In the Tour, mainly in breakaways, but with guys like Gerrans and Weening they didn't do worse than Euskaltel (which was the point). In the Vuelta, they won the mountain jersey, and a mountain stage. And in races like Suisse and Catalunya they had Albasini, who did great.

It just isn't the case that the whole of Greenedge was dropped on every molehill, which is what you and Libertine would have us believe.
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In the Tour, mainly in breakaways, but with guys like Gerrans and Weening they didn't do worse than Euskaltel (which was the point). In the Vuelta, they won the mountain jersey, and a mountain stage. And in races like Suisse and Catalunya they had Albasini, who did great.

It just isn't the case that the whole of Greenedge was dropped at every molehill, which is what you and Libertine would have us believe.
no. I didn't say that anywhere. but not dropping with the entire team on every hill doesn't mean you aren't a joke in the mountains. they didn't have any surprises and not one guy I think in top 20 or maybe even 30 of any gt
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forgive me, but in what gt were they any force then in the mountains?
They won the mountain jersey plus an (easy) mountainstage in the Vuelta. Of course they weren't a force in the mountains of any GTs, that's not what theyoungest was saying. He said they did remarkably well during mountainous races this season with their line-up, which they did. Albasini in Catalunya, Flèche Wallonne and Tour de Suisse. Clarke in the Vuelta.

I'm of the opinion that someone like Clarke shouldn't be able to win a KoM jersey, but the rules are what they are.

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no. I didn't say that anywhere. but not dropping with the entire team on every hill doesn't mean you aren't a joke in the mountains. they didn't have any surprises and not one guy I think in top 20 or maybe even 30 of any gt
Yeah, they actually won something. How about that.

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Wait, it just sunk in that they will be doing the Giro

Can't see Degenkolb backing up after the classics, so it will be Reinardt + 8.

Hopefully it means they don't invite NetApp.
I'm not even sure Argos can field a team for all 3 GTs.

This year they did two Grand Tours and they were nowhere in the Tour. Their Vuelta selection was fine though they did have some luck with the absence of good sprinters.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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They won the mountain jersey plus an (easy) mountainstage in the Vuelta. Of course they weren't a force in the mountains of any GTs, that's not what theyoungest was saying. He said they did remarkably well during mountainous races this season with their line-up, which they did. Albasini in Catalunya, Flèche Wallonne and Tour de Suisse. Clarke in the Vuelta.

I'm of the opinion that someone like Clarke shouldn't be able to win a KoM jersey, but the rules are what they are.



Yeah, they actually won something. How about that.


I'm not even sure Argos can field a team for all 3 GTs.

This year they did two Grand Tours and they were nowhere in the Tour. Their Vuelta selection was fine though they did have some luck with the absence of good sprinters.
oh yeah? what gt did they win? the kom in vuelta? who the f cares. they didn't perform remarkable at all in the mountains this year. catalunya had it's only mountainstage canceled, which is why albasini could win it anyway.
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oh yeah? what gt did they win? the kom in vuelta? who the f cares. they didn't perform remarkable at all in the mountains this year. catalunya had it's only mountainstage canceled, which is why albasini could win it anyway.
In the other thread you posted a stage which Albasini won to prove Cancellara is a climber.

They won a mountain stage and jersey. It's a lot better than coming 20th anonymously like you are suggesting they should do.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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They won the mountain jersey plus an (easy) mountainstage in the Vuelta. Of course they weren't a force in the mountains of any GTs, that's not what theyoungest was saying. He said they did remarkably well during mountainous races this season with their line-up, which they did. Albasini in Catalunya, Flèche Wallonne and Tour de Suisse. Clarke in the Vuelta.

I'm of the opinion that someone like Clarke shouldn't be able to win a KoM jersey, but the rules are what they are.



Yeah, they actually won something. How about that.



I'm not even sure Argos can field a team for all 3 GTs.

This year they did two Grand Tours and they were nowhere in the Tour. Their Vuelta selection was fine though they did have some luck with the absence of good sprinters.
I think they are a good fit for the Tour as those 9 dead flat sprint stages need all the sprinters there. Just this year it didn't turn out so well with Kittel struggling. Same with the Vuelta if they take Degenkolb there.

But the Giro has only two (only 1 if Stelvio owns him) stages for Kittel so no point going there. Degenkolb would do better (great chance to hold pink for a day too) but classics and Giro and Vuelta seems like too much. If he was in the team though it would more or less make it acceptable.

Maybe I'm a bit harsh, it's not like the whole 22 teams in a GT help make the race. More often than not a Saur, Andalucia or NetApp will somehow get an invite and go on to contribute nothing.
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