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Old 12-11-12, 14:38
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That would be "these are interesting developments".

I don't think living with Newfies qualifies as being from a country where English isn't the main language.

By the way, did you have to leave your six-shooters at the border? Being from Houston and all.

More on the topic, it is quite amazing just how low Lancey-poo has fallen, and it seems to be far from over. When the federal case was dropped (despite RR's optimism at the time) I prepared myself for the possibility that the bully would win. Events have proven otherwise. Yay!
Hey friend,,,,, these are some "confusing times". I moved up here for the End of the world on the 21st. No weapons as the Canadian authorities do not take the issue quite the same as TEXAS.
Well the English here has some challenges much like the southerners from where I'm from. Went to Quebec city and thought I might have heard some foreign language but did not know what it was.

I come to the conclusion a while back....never underestimate a "surftel"
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Old 12-11-12, 14:45
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[QUOTE=Glenn_Wilson;1091584]Glad you did not quote my post as what you are considering a "nice try". Where I once lived they would say ...."that dog Wont Hunt".

Anyhow I was not trying to come up with something here just adding to the fun conversation here.

But when this does become a actual issue in court (notice I said when not if) I would be willing to bet money that one of the arguments used will be just what you referred to as "media impressions". Not that it takes a genius to lock onto that anyhow.

You are right.

However the dispute is not whether either party did not fulfill their obligations. Lance rode his bike and gave USPS notoriety, and they paid money. (Charles Manson also got a lot of coverage, by the way.)

It's that nasty thing about fraudulence, and its perpetuation.
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And yet, if LA stays retired after the 2005 TdF none of this comes to light... he gets away with everything.

The most expensive comeback in the history of sport.
The main point is he should have kept Landis happy.
Perhaps Landis would also have blown the whistle without Lance's comeback, and Lance would have been in trouble all the same. Though it's not hard to imagine that seeing Lance come back in 2009 with full UCI support really ****ed of Landis and was the final drop in his decision to come clean and blow the lit off. In that case, indeed, Lance's comeback can be seen as the one main factor that initiated the whole collapse.
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And yet, if LA stays retired after the 2005 TdF none of this comes to light... he gets away with everything.

The most expensive comeback in the history of sport.
I agree and I have said so many times.

He got caught by his GREED, cloaked in Cancer Jesus clothing. Like most sociopaths, he didn't know when enough was enough.

trompe le monde is right on, the hubris and arrogance of Armstrong was indeed staggering.
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I agree and I have said so many times.

He got caught by his GREED, cloaked in Cancer Jesus clothing. Like most sociopaths, he didn't know when enough was enough.

trompe le monde is right on, the hubris and arrogance of Armstrong was indeed staggering.
Indeed it was. After Wall St to attempt what he did showed his immense arrogance.
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So Armstrong took the Fifth when subpoenaed to produce documents and give testimony. Of course he tried to keep it t all under seal. But, the truth finds it's way to the light. This message s going to increase the pressure on the DoJ to explain why the criminal case against Armstrong was dropped. The political gamesmanship of Armstrong's team will soon be completely out in the open.

The best is yet to come.
Just when we thought he couldn't fall any lower!

I'm amazed; really I'm truly staggered that justice of this order is being enacted on this most corrupt and imperfect of worlds. It must be fateful; it can't be by chance this series of events has played out. But: will others in other fields of life learn?
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The main point is he should have kept Landis happy.
Perhaps Landis would also have blown the whistle without Lance's comeback, and Lance would have been in trouble all the same. Though it's not hard to imagine that seeing Lance come back in 2009 with full UCI support really ****ed of Landis and was the final drop in his decision to come clean and blow the lit off. In that case, indeed, Lance's comeback can be seen as the one main factor that initiated the whole collapse.
It's all hubris. The hubris to come back. The hubris to not pay heed to Landis' warnings.

Speaking of the come back, what's the ''real story'' about why he came back, and why he retired in the first place? Was the "retirement" some sort of under-the-table self-imposed 3-year sanction?
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It's all hubris. The hubris to come back. The hubris to not pay heed to Landis' warnings.

Speaking of the come back, what's the ''real story'' about why he came back, and why he retired in the first place? Was the "retirement" some sort of under-the-table self-imposed 3-year sanction?
Retirement 1.0 was about kicking back with celebs, doing cameos in Hollywood films and easy morning rides with adoring hordes. The comeback was inspired by the money to be made if nice lil Vandevelde could almost podium at the 08 Tour.
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You're right, Hubris totally sums it up.
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Retirement 1.0 was about kicking back with celebs, doing cameos in Hollywood films and easy morning rides with adoring hordes. The comeback was inspired by the money to be made if nice lil Vandevelde could almost podium at the 08 Tour.
The comeback was built on the money he lost in the 2008 Stock market crash.

It was also founded on watching Sastre ace the 2008 Tour and VDV getting 5th. Lance new that these guys were dabbling with their programs and weren’t amping it to 2005 Ferrari levels.

The Catlin program was about getting a soft landing back in the sport. He knew exactly what he was doing. The plan would be to win the 2009 Tour then do a victory lap in 2010 and clean up on appearance fees at all the races along with flogging off Livestrong products to one and all.

He forgot two keys factors. Contador was just as filthy and well connected to doping Doctors as he was and he never put the Landis/Hamilton USPS sagas to bed.

What always surprised me that in the 2010 he was still consulting Ferrari and prepared to win the race by doping to the max. He had no shame. He didn’t care. Even with a Federal investigation hanging over his head he was still doping to the the highest levels and trying to the win the Tour.

That’s arrogance!

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