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Old 12-11-12, 21:54
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As I thought then. Nobody at Sky have confirmed that they aren't going to Tenerife. I fully expect them to go.

Having a central training base for generic requirements and then using other locations for more specific training needs is what I imagine will happen, just as the track team do - Manchester usually, but taking advantage of the southern hemisphere summer at the moment .
They're not going as its been confirmed by Sky on this very forum. Or is that not good enough?
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Old 12-11-12, 22:08
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They're not going as its been confirmed by Sky on this very forum. Or is that not good enough?
No Hog. It hasn't been confirmed.
I find it ironic that suddenly you believe in the word of Sky.
That's a first!
The BBC article, talks about a more Central European base in the future, as opposed to Manchester.
Possibly, this means they will no longer have a Tenerife train camp, but it by no means confirms this as fact.
It's just as easy to fly to Tenerife from Girona, as it is from Manchester.

Besides, I thought Tenerife was used by a "select group" of riders seeking "specialist" training.
Nothing to say that won't continue, while the rest use this central base.
Will it be even up and running in time for 2013?


Once again you are getting ahead of the truth and trying to force others to follow suit.

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Old 12-11-12, 22:17
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So, Armstrong's "everyone did it" defense is raised from the dead once more?
Well in Lance's day, pretty much everyone was doing it! It doesn't mean that anyone's doping during that era was justified though. It just means that the game in that era wasn't "cycling" but "cycling whilst as heavily doped as you could be".
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Old 12-11-12, 22:25
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Do you see how serpentine the logic becomes defending your position? It's a weak defense.
I'm not defending Sky. Heros and favourites come and go. Old Father Time waits for no-one. My current favourites will be gone due to age in fives years even if they don't go due to doping sooner.

I was just pointing out that it's highly unlikely that it's only Sky that are doping but it's only Sky that seem to be doing anything to shore up their defences against greater scrutiny in the post USADA era.
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Old 12-11-12, 22:26
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Come on Froome19.

The Sky gang were telling us about the ‘amazing results’ achieved in Tenerife and now its dropped? What the?

Yates was telling us that training was harder than racing in Tenerife and now dropped.

Many here were not happy for the ZT team to be going to the dopers paradise and we were all assured it was just coincidence and it has “nice weather”.

And now dropped?

Even the most ardent Sky fan must be confused.
I think Tenerife is a huge red herring and a poor argument being that what counts is with whom rather than where, and 'whom' is mobile... frankly I find it far more ethical to train in a natural environment at altitude, than to use artificial ones like altitude tents etc. which is presumably what they will use now. I seem to recall Brad had an altitude tent in his house? If the intention is to cheat, that can happen anywhere. If anything we should be encouraging riders to train without artificial aids and as such use natural aids like Tenerife if appropriate.

The fact that Team Sky is so reactionary to public opinion is an issue, and a reason why Sky make a poor sponsor for sport, reflecting how this sponsor behaves in its own industry. Sensational, reactionary, accusatory, unethical, imoral, and blame shifting. However, I think it's important to seperate the flawed Team PR actions from the teams sporting methodology. There are plenty of other points regarding Team Sky that raise suspicion without bringing geography and terrain into it?
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Old 12-11-12, 22:37
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I think Tenerife is a huge red herring and a poor argument being that what counts is with whom rather than where, and 'whom' is mobile... frankly I find it far more ethical to train in a natural environment at altitude, than to use artificial ones like altitude tents etc. which is presumably what they will use now. I seem to recall Brad had an altitude tent in his house? If the intention is to cheat, that can happen anywhere. If anything we should be encouraging riders to train without artificial aids and as such use natural aids like Tenerife if appropriate.

The fact that Team Sky is so reactionary to public opinion is an issue, and a reason why Sky make a poor sponsor for sport, reflecting how this sponsor behaves in its own industry. Sensational, reactionary, accusatory, unethical, imoral, and blame shifting. However, I think it's important to seperate the flawed Team PR actions from the teams sporting methodology. There are plenty of other points regarding Team Sky that raise suspicion without bringing geography and terrain into it?
Yates is a red herring. Rogers is a red herring. Tenerife is a red herring. Froome going intergalactic is a red herring. Wiggins is a red herring. Punching 450w day after day after day, stage after stage after stage is a red herring.

It's all just one big red herring.
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Old 12-11-12, 22:58
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Yates is a red herring. Rogers is a red herring. Tenerife is a red herring. Froome going intergalactic is a red herring. Wiggins is a red herring. Punching 450w day after day after day, stage after stage after stage is a red herring.

It's all just one big red herring.
Let me know when you're done obfuscating my point, and feel like offering up a response that illustrates you read the post.

I'm highly sceptical about the team.
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Old 12-11-12, 23:34
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They're not going as its been confirmed by Sky on this very forum. Or is that not good enough?
No, it hasn't. It was said by a poster called Matt Parker. He shares a name with someone from BC, but admitted himself on here he is a waiter (or something) from Doncaster and not the Matt Parker you want us to think. He posted a link to the BBC where Brailsford mentions a central base.

Sky are talking about a central base - currently in Manchester. Tenerife is a training site not a base. Brailsofrd is big on bases, and has often talked about a hub for cycling teams as somewhere fans can associate with a team (like football or rugby teams as an example). So I don't think Girona or Nice, and Tenerife or Mallorca, are mutually exclusive. I may be wrong, but nothing has been posted yet which definitively says Sky won't be returning to Tenerife
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Old 12-11-12, 23:38
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No, it hasn't. It was said by a poster called Matt Parker. He shares a name with someone from BC, but admitted himself on here he is a waiter (or something) from Doncaster and not the Matt Parker you want us to think
I can 'confirm' that they will be returning to Tenerife. I, however, am also not that Matt Parker (who has gone to rugby anyway). My real name isn't even Parker.
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Old 12-11-12, 23:46
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The reason Brailsford is bringing this topic to the media and calling for a "formal high altitude training base" is that to the average fan rumors of "doping camps" in suspect locations at unpredictable times only fuels doping speculation that he can ill afford.

For me, whether Tenerife was/is a blood bag prep location with some training added on is neither here nor there. There are many locations that will do that, Tenerife not unique for any particular reason. But have these camps been used for bag preps, for sure they have. For all the reasons discussed here ad nauseam.
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