Boxing - Page 16 - CyclingNews Forum

Go Back   CyclingNews Forum > Cafe > General

General Grab a short black and come join in the non-cycling discussion. Favourite books, movies, holiday destinations, other sports - chat about it all in the cafe.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #151  
Old 12-10-12, 19:35
Alpe d'Huez's Avatar
Alpe d'Huez Alpe d'Huez is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 7,524
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sublimit View Post
Pretty chilling KO, out cold before he hit the canvas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUgZcjKCAmE
Link is dead. Anyone have a newer one? Would like to see it. Pac is finished. By the looks of things. Marquez is on the verge of being finished as well.

I personally don't care who Mayweather fights, or doesn't. I've had it with that guy. He is overly picky and cautious and a snot, as if having a unbeaten record will make him without criticism.

Sad about Comacho.
Reply With Quote
  #152  
Old 12-11-12, 10:35
sublimit's Avatar
sublimit sublimit is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: southsea UK
Posts: 2,914
Default

I found another youtube one, hopefully wont get pulled this time!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyuEJyHAS1U

Marquez v Mayweather could make an interesting fight.
Reply With Quote
  #153  
Old 12-11-12, 19:45
Alpe d'Huez's Avatar
Alpe d'Huez Alpe d'Huez is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 7,524
Default

And, that one's dead too.
Reply With Quote
  #154  
Old 12-11-12, 19:59
Alpe d'Huez's Avatar
Alpe d'Huez Alpe d'Huez is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 7,524
Default

Found a couple in Spanish. Here's 1. Here's another.

I'll say this, he hit him completely flush with all his power, right with Manny coming in. That kind of punch knocks almost anyone out. Still, to see Manny completely out on the canvas like that was something. As Gil Clancy used to say, when they fall on their face they don't get up.

Also, this fight may rejuvenatize boxing a little. In the wake of the Pacquiao-Bradly debacle, and Mayweather's jail time and temper tantrums, when people thought this 4th Pac-Marq fight would be a dud, they instead got two guys who went all out in a fight and finish for the ages.

Here's a funny spoof of it.
Reply With Quote
  #155  
Old 12-11-12, 23:41
Merckx index's Avatar
Merckx index Merckx index is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,931
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sublimit View Post

Marquez v Mayweather could make an interesting fight.
Not likely. They fought before, and it was extremely one-sided. JMM only landed a ridiculously low 15% of his punches.

Styles make fights. JMM has always done well against Pacquiao, because Pac has trouble with counter-punchers, and JMM is one of the best. But Mayweather is an even better counter-puncher, and bigger, stronger and faster than JMM. JMM needs an aggressive fighter to come to him in order to counter-punch. Mayweather doesnít offer that opportunity. When JMM, who is not comfortable with being the aggressor, tries to go after someone like Floyd, heís like a fish out of water, and Floyd can take advantage of that, easily. Granted, JMM has bulked up since he fought Mayweather a few years ago (very little doubt in my mind heís on PEDs), and Mayweather has probably lost a little of his speed. A rematch would probably not be so lopsided, but I donít see the outcome being a lot different. And the fight would not be nearly as exciting as the ones with Pacquiao, there would be very little toe-to-toe action.

Retirement for Manny would not be a bad idea. No fight that he likely can make is going to change his legacy at this point. Itís not inconceivable that he and Mayweather could yet meet, but the fight wonít generate nearly the interest it would have 2-3 years ago, and the outcome wonít much affect how these fighters are remembered. They and their handlers will, and should, be remembered as world-class idiots who blew one of the most awaited and definitely the most lucrative match of all time. The legacy of each should be downgraded a notch or two because they avoided the one fight that would have measured their worth more than any other. Arum in particular should go down in history as one of the greediest, most destructive promoters of all time. I canít think of anyone who has done more to destroy the sport than he has.

But big money is hard to resist, and I think Manny will almost certainly have a few more fights. I would like to see him fight Brandon Rios, who he probably would have fought if he had won this fight, or maybe Robert Guerrero, who may be the best welter in the world now. Guerrero has been calling out Mayweather and Pacquiao for a long time, and after a very convincing win over Andre Berto, he may finally get his chance. He would probably jump at the chance of fighting Pacquiao even now, as it would represent a huge jump in money and exposure for him. But after a vicious KO like that, Pacquiao would probably want to rebound with a lesser opponent, to get his ring confidence back.

Hard to say where Marquez goes from here. At 39, he should be retiring, but heís now making far more money than he ever did before, so like Pacquiao, he will probably hang on as long as he can continue to make big fights. I guess now he has his pick of anyone in the 140-147 divisions that he wants. Iím not convinced he can win any of those fights, though. As I said before, though he has a style that makes him very good against Pacquiao, that doesnít necessarily translate well to other fighters, even ones Pacquiao would be expected to beat easily. Noteworthy that even as he was clamoring for the third fight with Pacquiao a few years ago, he was avoiding meeting other fighters that Pacquiao would have been expected to outclass, like Amir Khan.
Reply With Quote
  #156  
Old 12-12-12, 02:25
movingtarget movingtarget is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 4,171
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merckx index View Post
Not likely. They fought before, and it was extremely one-sided. JMM only landed a ridiculously low 15% of his punches.

Styles make fights. JMM has always done well against Pacquiao, because Pac has trouble with counter-punchers, and JMM is one of the best. But Mayweather is an even better counter-puncher, and bigger, stronger and faster than JMM. JMM needs an aggressive fighter to come to him in order to counter-punch. Mayweather doesnít offer that opportunity. When JMM, who is not comfortable with being the aggressor, tries to go after someone like Floyd, heís like a fish out of water, and Floyd can take advantage of that, easily. Granted, JMM has bulked up since he fought Mayweather a few years ago (very little doubt in my mind heís on PEDs), and Mayweather has probably lost a little of his speed. A rematch would probably not be so lopsided, but I donít see the outcome being a lot different. And the fight would not be nearly as exciting as the ones with Pacquiao, there would be very little toe-to-toe action.

Retirement for Manny would not be a bad idea. No fight that he likely can make is going to change his legacy at this point. Itís not inconceivable that he and Mayweather could yet meet, but the fight wonít generate nearly the interest it would have 2-3 years ago, and the outcome wonít much affect how these fighters are remembered. They and their handlers will, and should, be remembered as world-class idiots who blew one of the most awaited and definitely the most lucrative match of all time. The legacy of each should be downgraded a notch or two because they avoided the one fight that would have measured their worth more than any other. Arum in particular should go down in history as one of the greediest, most destructive promoters of all time. I canít think of anyone who has done more to destroy the sport than he has.

But big money is hard to resist, and I think Manny will almost certainly have a few more fights. I would like to see him fight Brandon Rios, who he probably would have fought if he had won this fight, or maybe Robert Guerrero, who may be the best welter in the world now. Guerrero has been calling out Mayweather and Pacquiao for a long time, and after a very convincing win over Andre Berto, he may finally get his chance. He would probably jump at the chance of fighting Pacquiao even now, as it would represent a huge jump in money and exposure for him. But after a vicious KO like that, Pacquiao would probably want to rebound with a lesser opponent, to get his ring confidence back.

Hard to say where Marquez goes from here. At 39, he should be retiring, but heís now making far more money than he ever did before, so like Pacquiao, he will probably hang on as long as he can continue to make big fights. I guess now he has his pick of anyone in the 140-147 divisions that he wants. Iím not convinced he can win any of those fights, though. As I said before, though he has a style that makes him very good against Pacquiao, that doesnít necessarily translate well to other fighters, even ones Pacquiao would be expected to beat easily. Noteworthy that even as he was clamoring for the third fight with Pacquiao a few years ago, he was avoiding meeting other fighters that Pacquiao would have been expected to outclass, like Amir Khan.
Guerrero is a great fighter and deserves a shot. I don't like to see great fighters hanging around too long and getting hurt. Chavez, Leonard, Duran, Hearns and Holmes and many others were beaten up badly late in their careers and it was pointless. Hatton has done the same. Problem is many sportsmen especially boxers don't have their money managed properly.
Reply With Quote
  #157  
Old 12-12-12, 06:05
Alpe d'Huez's Avatar
Alpe d'Huez Alpe d'Huez is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 7,524
Default

It's easier to look at it the other way around and name the handful of fighting greats who got out on or near the top, and stayed out. Hagler, Marciano, Ricardo Lopez, Napoles maybe. Even Palomino, like Leonard, who swore he'd stay retired, couldn't keep away.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merckx index View Post
They and their handlers will, and should, be remembered as world-class idiots who blew one of the most awaited and definitely the most lucrative match of all time. The legacy of each should be downgraded a notch or two because they avoided the one fight that would have measured their worth more than any other.
Agree 100% there. One of the big things wrong with boxing today in a nutshell

Quote:
Arum in particular should go down in history as one of the greediest, most destructive promoters of all time. I canít think of anyone who has done more to destroy the sport than he has.
Don King? Though at least King can be credited with pulling more big fights off, though he screwed a lot of people over. I do realize this is like comparing differ types of manure stench.
Reply With Quote
  #158  
Old 12-12-12, 10:25
sublimit's Avatar
sublimit sublimit is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: southsea UK
Posts: 2,914
Default

I suppose Khan v Marquez could be a good fight in the near future but Khan is so complacent you always fear the worst for him. Loads of class but seems to come unstuck too easily against less than brilliant fighters.

Molina will probably knock him out in their forthcoming fight.
Reply With Quote
  #159  
Old 12-12-12, 11:23
The Hitch's Avatar
The Hitch The Hitch is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: London.
Posts: 22,579
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpe d'Huez View Post
Found a couple in Spanish. Here's 1. [U][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Jaul2Ompnxs"]Here's another].
The moment where marquez realizes he's won is quite awesome, especially as for.the 5 seconds until that point he's just standing there bewildered.
__________________
The Hitch: Winner 2013 Vuelta cq game. Winner, Velorooms prediction game 2012, 2013 (still undefeated). Currently 2nd all time cq rankings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pre 2009 wiggins
If there's a 1% suspicion or doubt that a team is working with certain doctors, then they shouldn't be invited to the Tour de France - as simple as that.
journalist with integrity.
Reply With Quote
  #160  
Old 12-12-12, 11:42
Ferminal Ferminal is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 16,383
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merckx index View Post
Not likely. They fought before, and it was extremely one-sided. JMM only landed a ridiculously low 15% of his punches.

Styles make fights. JMM has always done well against Pacquiao, because Pac has trouble with counter-punchers, and JMM is one of the best. But Mayweather is an even better counter-puncher, and bigger, stronger and faster than JMM. JMM needs an aggressive fighter to come to him in order to counter-punch. Mayweather doesn’t offer that opportunity. When JMM, who is not comfortable with being the aggressor, tries to go after someone like Floyd, he’s like a fish out of water, and Floyd can take advantage of that, easily. Granted, JMM has bulked up since he fought Mayweather a few years ago (very little doubt in my mind he’s on PEDs), and Mayweather has probably lost a little of his speed. A rematch would probably not be so lopsided, but I don’t see the outcome being a lot different. And the fight would not be nearly as exciting as the ones with Pacquiao, there would be very little toe-to-toe action.

Retirement for Manny would not be a bad idea. No fight that he likely can make is going to change his legacy at this point. It’s not inconceivable that he and Mayweather could yet meet, but the fight won’t generate nearly the interest it would have 2-3 years ago, and the outcome won’t much affect how these fighters are remembered. They and their handlers will, and should, be remembered as world-class idiots who blew one of the most awaited and definitely the most lucrative match of all time. The legacy of each should be downgraded a notch or two because they avoided the one fight that would have measured their worth more than any other. Arum in particular should go down in history as one of the greediest, most destructive promoters of all time. I can’t think of anyone who has done more to destroy the sport than he has.

But big money is hard to resist, and I think Manny will almost certainly have a few more fights. I would like to see him fight Brandon Rios, who he probably would have fought if he had won this fight, or maybe Robert Guerrero, who may be the best welter in the world now. Guerrero has been calling out Mayweather and Pacquiao for a long time, and after a very convincing win over Andre Berto, he may finally get his chance. He would probably jump at the chance of fighting Pacquiao even now, as it would represent a huge jump in money and exposure for him. But after a vicious KO like that, Pacquiao would probably want to rebound with a lesser opponent, to get his ring confidence back.

Hard to say where Marquez goes from here. At 39, he should be retiring, but he’s now making far more money than he ever did before, so like Pacquiao, he will probably hang on as long as he can continue to make big fights. I guess now he has his pick of anyone in the 140-147 divisions that he wants. I’m not convinced he can win any of those fights, though. As I said before, though he has a style that makes him very good against Pacquiao, that doesn’t necessarily translate well to other fighters, even ones Pacquiao would be expected to beat easily. Noteworthy that even as he was clamoring for the third fight with Pacquiao a few years ago, he was avoiding meeting other fighters that Pacquiao would have been expected to outclass, like Amir Khan.
Marquez is better prepared to fight at 140+ these days than he was during his original fight with Floyd. I agree that the result would be the same, but I think there might be some merit in the contest (more so than Pac v Floyd or Pac Marquez V).
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:53.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2006 - 2009 Future Publishing Limited. All rights reserved. Future Publishing Limited is part of the Future plc group. Future Publishing Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company registration number 2008885 whose registered office is at Beauford Court 30 Monmouth Street Bath, UK BA1 2BW England.