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Old 12-12-12, 22:08
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I wasn't talking about all three gts in one year obviously that would be great but it's impossible, even Alberto says this
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Old 12-12-12, 22:13
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Alberto can become a legend imo if he does the triple or if he wins 7-8 tours, both seem pretty impossible and of course he has to become world champion preferably on the road which is also almost impossible. TT world champion is possible but it's not as great as world champ on the road
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Old 12-12-12, 22:27
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tour centric riders are pathetic and boring, i would certainly be hating on contador if he became armstrong 2.0.

winning all 3 GT's is imo a much greater achievement. imo he should try and win TA, the dauphine, romandie and swiss before he retires as it would make his stage racing palmares absolutely perfect.
The rest of the world sees things differently than we do,

They don't understand This Thing of Ours.

they have very basic and incredibly innacurate ideas of what cycling is, how it works, what is important, who watches it, even who participates.
And e they are spectacularly uninformed when it comes to doping.

They of course only care about 1 race.

But they are the ones who control the press, the media and hence the perception of the masses.

For me Contador always was the weapon with which we fight that other world view. The ambassador of our sport. The one who can achieve things by winning multiple Tours.

Thats why I call him "The Great One". Its a special relationship

The Tour de France its itself a underwhelming race that only takes up 3 weeks of the season, but we need someone to carry the flag, get their name out there and represent our sport. And contador, polite, talented, from a big cycling country that isnt France, is good representative.

The Tour is business. Its for that other world.

The rest of the year is for us We few, we happy few, we cycling fans.
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Old 12-12-12, 22:33
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And I think winning 7 Tours is much, much better than winning 3 gts simply because it's 3 vs 7
Without all 3 the case for Contador being a great would always stink.

You look now, at who has won 3 gts and its a pretty exclusive club, only 5 riders and Contador 2nd youngest.

And people will remember that Contador did it in a harder era.
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Old 12-12-12, 22:45
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Do you know how many people won more than 5 tours? Zero.

I already said it before to become one of the greats he needs to win at least 3 more tours a giro-tour double, at least 1 more giro and vuelta and a couple of big one day races like lombardia and lbl, and he needs to become wc, so pretty much impossible
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Do you know how many people won more than 5 tours? Zero.

I already said it before to become one of the greats he needs to win at least 3 more tours a giro-tour double, at least 1 more giro and vuelta and a couple of big one day races like lombardia and lbl, and he needs to become wc, so pretty much impossible
What does he need all that for? Hell never surpass the cannibal or badger. I suppose with a few more years at the top he can maybe challenge Big Mig but theres no exact menu he needs to get through.
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It would be cool if Contador raced and hopefully won a couple hilly classics before he retires (not that that his happening soon), GT's are cool and all that but without a Classic win it does fall short of the greats.
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The rest of the world sees things differently than we do.....The ambassador of our sport.....
I think, if great riders do Giro and Vuelta. going to have changes. A small example, " our ambassador" raced at the Tour de San Luis in 2012. It will have 15 teams WTs in 2013.
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...For me Contador always was the weapon with which we fight that other world view. The ambassador of our sport. The one who can achieve things by winning multiple Tours.

Thats why I call him "The Great One". Its a special relationship

The Tour de France its itself a underwhelming race that only takes up 3 weeks of the season, but we need someone to carry the flag, get their name out there and represent our sport...
Be glad the Giro is the Giro and the Vuelta is the Vuelta. I say that in the sense that maybe it's better they remain localized. I see some contradiction in your dream of the "real cycling" embraced by the world with a great icon to lead it. To me, that's not such a good outcome. They would then turn into the Tour or just replace it as the oddity of a sport that "they" think cycling is. Money will always talk. People are easily fooled. You might as well stand on some shore and throw sand back into the sea thinking all the while your reclaiming the land washed away.

What sport is not a business? Small or large, cash is king in any endeavor. You think if you establish this thing… this understanding of the sport, that the tide won't come in, and bit by bit, the heart of things change. Self-interests will be protected and collide with others. Erosion is hard to stop once it begins. Cycling is like new money hated by old money right now. It might do well to be humble and have champions as Parrulo suggests that add TA, Dauphine, etc… to their palmares rather than the greatest GT rider by the numbers.

Still, we dream of great things.
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What does he need all that for? Hell never surpass the cannibal or badger. I suppose with a few more years at the top he can maybe challenge Big Mig but theres no exact menu he needs to get through.
He can surpass the cannibal in one aspect quite easily: winning the 3 gt more than once. I believe only Hinault has done that so far. Yet, Contador, like a few greats of the past, will have less wins that he could have acheived if he had a chance to compete. Barred from one tour because of his team (astana) and penalized for two other GT he still is among the top cyclists ever.
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