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Old 12-14-12, 13:39
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I'd call it naive to think that there might be a possibility that Wiggins is clean. There isn't. Wiggins is a doper.

ok?
Yup, he's a doper. In your opinion. Mine differs; I don't know if he is. Bye.
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Old 12-14-12, 13:43
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Yup, he's a doper. In your opinion. Mine differs; I don't know if he is. Bye.
See I don't call this naive, I call it sensible and reasoned. Go figure
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Old 12-14-12, 13:49
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I'd call it naive to think that there might be a possibility that Wiggins is clean. There isn't. Wiggins is a doper.

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I love Lance. The UCI s doing a great job, Yates connection was confirmation for me.

Wiggins sold his soul.

Sad.

I'm not angry about the doping. Just the lying.
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Old 12-14-12, 13:50
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disagreed..............many have doubts.............but no-one is sure
He finished roughly 30 secs behind LA in the 2009 tour is Wiggins that naturally talented that he can pretty much match a doped rider like that - no he is not.
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Old 12-14-12, 14:02
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but that was 2009..........this is the new BETTER clean era of cycling...just

ask fat pat

point being brad / team sky state that they are riding clean and thus far

there is no proof otherwise
If you go to bed when it is still daylight and wake up when it is dark, you do not have to have seen the sun set, to know that the sun did indeed go down.
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Old 12-14-12, 14:07
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If Fat Pat is the paragon of truth then God help us all!
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Old 12-14-12, 14:08
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If you go to bed when it is still daylight and wake up when it is dark, you do not have to have seen the sun set, to know that the sun did indeed go down.
But if a tree falls over in the woods and there's no-one there to hear it, did it make any sound?
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Old 12-14-12, 14:10
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If a cyclist transfuses a blood bag and no one sees is that really doping?
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Old 12-14-12, 15:01
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I'd call it naive to think that there might be a possibility that Wiggins is clean. There isn't. Wiggins is a doper.

ok?
Well there is no point in coming into a debate (this thread is supposedly such) if your mind is already made up
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Old 12-14-12, 15:14
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I know this has been discussed (probably to death) but I can't trawl through over 1000 pages to look for the evidence:

Is there reliably honest power output data (ie not from the Teams themselves) over the last several years which could show that things are generally somewhat "cleaner" than at the hight of the Armstrong period?

It seems a simple way to assess cleanliness by comparison (unless the teams are so sophisticatedly devious as to be able to fake low power outputs strategically).
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