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Old 12-15-12, 12:32
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The final word on Horner should come at the USA Pro Cycling Challenge when he said, on camera:



Blind loyalty is stupidity.
Which is not far from what Sanchez or any other Pro has said.

Or this:

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"I love him," Wiggins said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

"Cycling was in the dark ages before he came along, in many ways. You only have to look at the support along the roads, compared to what it was 20 years ago. The majority of that is because of Lance Armstrong. Obviously he has his enemies and people among the fans who don't like him, but they've all benefitted from him and his existence on the Tour."
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Wait five years from now. Horner will have a job in cycling. Horner is NOT acting stupidly.
But he is showing the lack of a moral compass, which for me is far worse than being stupid.

We can all make mistakes, but in that case what counts is what we do when we are given an opportunity to make good. Horner has failed miserably where others (though certainly not all) have more or less succeeded.

At the very least he should have shut his trap.
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Old 12-15-12, 12:57
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Wait five years from now. Horner will have a job in cycling. Horner is NOT acting stupidly.
In five years he'll be 72!
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Old 12-15-12, 13:00
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But he is showing the lack of a moral compass, which for me is far worse than being stupid.

We can all make mistakes, but in that case what counts is what we do when we are given an opportunity to make good. Horner has failed miserably where others (though certainly not all) have more or less succeeded.

At the very least he should have shut his trap.
This is professional cycling! Lying and hypocrisy is the norm! Horner is following the script. He's betting that nothing has changed and nothing will change. I think that's a smart bet.

But I agree with the "lack of moral compass" statement that you make. Unfortunately, that statement applies to virtually all of pro cycling.
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Which is not far from what Sanchez or any other Pro has said.

Or this:
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"I think there is a lot of anger from most people within the sport, it is a sport I love and have always loved," said Wiggins.

"It is a shame that cycling is being dragged through this again really, not a shame that he (Armstrong) has been caught...."

You tell other people to start threads on other riders, if they stray into the Sky thread with such comments, so why do you persist in trying to shove Wiggins into threads where he is completely off topic?

How many Sky threads are enough for you?

There is some interesting debate and decent posts being made on old school Horner.
Lance's lackey may not be stupid, but his comments are certainly outspoken and very un PC in the current climate.
In that respect, certainly not the smartest move.
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Old 12-15-12, 13:18
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Which is not far from what Sanchez or any other Pro has said.

Or this:
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“I’ve always been a bit of a fan of Lance and have sided on the side of innocent until proven guilty with him. There isn’t an athlete or a cyclist out there that isn’t more tested than he is, certainly since his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested cyclist in the pro peloton and you take that on face value and that he’s never failed a drugs test and until he does he’s clean. That’s how I’ve always had as a stance on Lance.”
Point being Horner is not far from the Tour de France Champion.

They're both telling the same story.

I'm not saying Horner is right but 99% of the peloton are talking the same smack.

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That's funny. I likes me my steel frame and Brooks saddle!
Yeah, I was just trying to "animate" the thread. I was riding a Brooks team pro on a KG 381. People laughed and I enjoyed that.

Now I'm on a Toupe which I find to be good. It rains a lot here so you always have to have a plastic bag for the brooks..My friend built up a fixie so I gave him the brooks which was gathering dust..
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Old 12-15-12, 13:40
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One would think. However, as an insider Chris may have a different perspective. The fact that numerous other top riders doped, it doesn't make sense to single out just one.
Of course it makes sense to single out Horner. His comments don't accrue to any collective he was speaking on behalf of. HE made the statements and as far as I know they weren't made under duress.

The guy climbed out on that limb by himself and I'm going to rag the heck out of him for it. He was taking us for fools and if he's not called on it, he's going to be twice as ridiculous next time.

I haven't a clue as to what his intent was with the interview. All I know is that CN reported he said this nonsense.

So, if I saw him at any races, which I doubt, I'd tell him his comments about LA and the state of cycling are crazy. It would be his choice as to what happened next.

He's either an idiot, or has no moral compass. Eff him, the guy can't even be straight in the small things in life like cycling. Complete @sshole.

edit, if you and Horner were referring to singling out LA, well, LA selected himself for the glory, and all its accoutrements. Of course he should take the biggest fall when it was proven he was the greatest promoter of the drug culture, and the biggest enforcer of the omerta.. This LA defense proves Horner is an even bigger D!ck than I had mentioned previously...

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If CH clams up, that would NOT be normal for him and, in my eyes at least, would make him look very GUILTY.

He's at the end of his career, just wants to stretch it out as long as he can. I doubt there is a "rocket scientist" job waiting for when he quites. Maybe he wants a Bob Roll - Kinda Dufus commentator job. Maybe any job in the bike industry. Will confessing everything, or outing LA help his prospects of riding now, or help getting a job later?

His best and smartest choice is to continue to play the "just love'n it and wanting to ride my bike", the "Jethro Bodine" of cycling. "Golly folks, I don't know nuthin' 'bout all that stuff. I never seen a goll darn thing. Lance there, he always done right by me. Jest lemme ride my bike, OK?"

Smartest, maybe ONLY way to go.
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Which is not far from what Sanchez or any other Pro has said.

Or this:

Or this:

"I love him," Wiggins said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

"Cycling was in the dark ages before he came along, in many ways. You only have to look at the support along the roads, compared to what it was 20 years ago. The majority of that is because of Lance Armstrong. Obviously he has his enemies and people among the fans who don't like him, but they've all benefitted from him and his existence on the Tour."
...which he said way back in, what, early 2010? More than two years before the USADA report came out? Yeah, maybe he should have been paying more attention, but here's what Wiggins said this year:


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Asked whether Armstrong should confess, Wiggins said: "I think so yeah, yeah, definitely. But everyone knows he's a stubborn man. He has too much to lose, but the evidence speaks for itself. [It] looks overwhelming.

He was someone I respected and admired. I've met quite a few sportsmen, but I don't think I've met anybody as powerful as him." He describes Armstrong as "quite an intimidating person to be around"
So, used to be a little bit intimidated by Armstrong, which is understandable given Armstrong's nature as a monstrously insecure bully. But now thinks he should confess, though doubts he will because he has too much to lose.

But of course you present the original quote in the hope that people would think Wiggins had said it yesterday, without any context, because you, The Hog, have been so twisted over the years by the doping scandals that you now exist in a paranoid bubble where you assume that every single professional cyclist is still doping.
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