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View Poll Results: Better overall rider
Cadel Evans 34 22.08%
Alberto Contador 120 77.92%
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Old 12-16-12, 00:41
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[QUOTE=El Pistolero;1094448]You have no problem comparing a 23-24 year old Contador to an Evans in full prime I see.

Tactical errors? Is that what you guys call getting dropped hard on a mountain?

Contador is much younger than Evans and he already won 6 more GTs than him.[/QUOTE]

His first TDF was at the age of 27-28 in 05. Contador was 22 that year. Evans should have been able to ride a lot earlier.
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Yeah, people here tend to be stuck on certain memories of more recent events. I agree with your conclusion, he's a better one day rider and it would be a toss-up between them on a short uphill finish, but that's about it.
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Hadn't realised the forum has nearly 20 Aussie members.
Yeah but I did not vote for Evans- hence the vote count

Evans has won on most of their hilltop finish encounters (F-W and stage 4 of the 2011 TDF).
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Old 12-16-12, 00:56
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Yeah but I did not vote for Evans- hence the vote count

Evans has won on most of their hilltop finish encounters (F-W and stage 4 of the 2011 TDF).
He narrowly won on that TDF stage and Contador already did a hard Giro back then plus he crashed on the first stage.

Contador has beaten Evans on hilly uphill stages in Pais Vasco and what not.

It took how many attempts for Evans to finally get it right on the Mur de Huy? Remember, Contador is still relatively young.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-16-12, 01:02
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It's clearly Evans.

Have you won a Grand Tour?

Evans - Yes
Contador - Yes

Have you ever won a classic?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

Have you ever been World Champion in any form of the sport?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

Have you done anything outside road racing?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

It's clear cut. Contador does what he does and he does it well. But he's a stage racer and that's it. When it comes to 'all round' credentials he has nothing on Evans (or Wiggins).
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Old 12-16-12, 01:04
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It's clearly Evans.

Have you won a Grand Tour?

Evans - Yes
Contador - Yes

Have you ever won a classic?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

Have you ever been World Champion in any form of the sport?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

Have you done anything outside road racing?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

It's clear cut. Contador does what he does and he does it well. But he's a stage racer and that's it. When it comes to 'all round' credentials he has nothing on Evans (or Wiggins).
Too bad Contador dusts Evans in most aspects of stage racing which includes climbing, time-trials, recuperation/consistency, etc.

Let's go back 5 years ago and Evans didn't do any of that. MTB is irrelevant as Contador started in road cycling.

Flèche Wallonne is just an uphill sprint these days. If that's your only classic win... Might as well include Milano-Torino then where he dusted Joquim Rodriguez on the final climb.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Too bad Contador dusts Evans in most aspects of stage racing which includes climbing, time-trials, recuperation/consistency, etc.

Let's go back 5 years ago and Evans didn't do any of that. MTB is irrelevant as Contador started in road cycling.

Flèche Wallonne is just an uphill sprint these days. If that's your only classic win... Might as well include Milano-Torino then where he dusted Joquim Rodriguez on the final climb.
Contador is a great stage racer. Beyond that he's done nothing. Evans has. Lots. So as an 'Overall' rider he wins. Sorry.
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Contador is a great stage racer. Beyond that he's done nothing. Evans has. Lots. So as an 'Overall' rider he wins. Sorry.
Stage racing isn't one aspect, it combines different elements in cycling.

Evans is just a better one day rider and it's not like he has ever come close to winning a Monument.

Contador is definitely good enough to win FW some day. It's not much of a classic considering its length and the way the race is run. Considered a semi-classic by many actually...
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-16-12, 02:37
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It's clearly Evans.

Have you won a Grand Tour?

Evans - Yes
Contador - Yes

Have you ever won a classic?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

Have you ever been World Champion in any form of the sport?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

Have you done anything outside road racing?

Evans - Yes
Contador - No

It's clear cut. Contador does what he does and he does it well. But he's a stage racer and that's it. When it comes to 'all round' credentials he has nothing on Evans (or Wiggins).
Fantastic analysis, that can answer all questions:

Have you won a Grand Tour?

Ullrich: Yes
Bettini: No

Have you ever won a classic?

Ullrich - Yes (if we are going to count FW as a classic)
Bettini - Yes

Have you ever been World Champion in any form of the sport?

Ullrich - Yes
Bettini - Yes

Have you ever won an Olympic Gold?

Ullrich - Yes
Bettini - Yes

Ullrich > Bettini
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Ah, classic El Pistolero...

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He narrowly won on that TDF stage and Contador already did a hard Giro back then plus he crashed on the first stage.
Talk down Evans winning a stage against Contador

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Contador is definitely good enough to win FW some day.
Then talk up Contador for a race he has not even won.
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Old 12-16-12, 07:16
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Clearly Evans as he never has lost any wins "off the road". AC cannot make up this deficit. Plus, Evans has shown some great results in one-day-races (World Champion) and classic-like stages (as in this strade bianche Giro stage some years ago) which is something AC is just not capable of. BTW, Evans is (or was) able to perform on a very high level without any team support. I am not sure about this point, but I guess that's not AC's strong suit, too.
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