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View Poll Results: Better overall rider
Cadel Evans 34 22.08%
Alberto Contador 120 77.92%
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Old 12-16-12, 11:26
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In my country this is call 'baiting'.
I see you come from a nation of fishermen.
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Old 12-16-12, 11:47
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I say he would've also won the 2009 Tour if he had to face the same competition as in 2012.

He was fourth in 2009:

---> Armstrong wasn't there
---> Andy Schleck wasn't there
---> Alberto Contador wasn't there


====> Wiggins would've won in 2009 had he faced the same field as in 2012. I'm sorry but Wiggins has yet to proof himself against the biggest riders of the sport.
Omg, as high time to belittle Wiggins came, you found even Andy Schleck useful. The fact they were not does not say directly that Wiggins is weaker. It is a very debatable question.

No matter how Fabian is great I think for many people it is obvious that his global peak is already over.

People should put up with the fact that new guys come. It is normal.
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Old 12-16-12, 13:11
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Not just purito he held.off valverde and henao and riders.from.the break looking for.a stage. And put.minutes into.gesink and froome and everyone other than valverde and.purito.pretty.much ( purito still lost 2 minutes)

And what was Evans great show of strength. I know people get off on seeing mud but from a racing pov he followed cunego and vino for 15k and won a sprint. His main opponent for the stage - nibali, crashed with the entire liquigas team ( we are seeing quite a pattern of Evans achievements coming when opponents crashe - tdf, fw, cobbles)

And nibali still only finished about a minute behind and he was shown repeatedly to have to wait for basso.
What are you talking about ? Evans and Vino did the majority of the work at Montalcino. Cunego and Arroyo were losing contact and rejoining or sitting at the back. More wheel sucking allegation about Evans ? At the finish two superior sprinters could not get past him because after leading out a long way from the finish, he was too strong. So Evans only benefits from other's misfortune ? What about his heavy fall in the 2008 Tour or his puncture in the 2009 Vuelta or breaking his elbow in the 2010 Tour and as for the 2011 Tour, he did what other's did not do. He continuously rode near the front with his team on narrow roads and wet conditions during the first week. As O'Grady said, all of the accidents were not caused by the conditons but my stupid riding. That's the fault of the dummies that ride near the back all the time or become isolated from their team. They neither have the brains or the bike handling skills of Evans. Too bad for Liquigas that Cancellara was not around at Montacino, he could have neutralised the stage for them.
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Old 12-16-12, 14:30
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Evans is a guy who barely won a race before 2011. He only raced so much because he failed so much. None of his old team-mates like him in fact. Not a very inspiring leader.

Besides, Evans has worked with some of the most shady characters in cycling. CAS does not matter. CAS doesn't even think Contador is guilty by the way, so it's funny to see you defending CAS.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 12-16-12, 14:36
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Hadn't realised the forum has nearly 20 Aussie members.
Be fair now, I voted Contador.
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Old 12-16-12, 14:49
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using clinic created nicknames to talk about other riders isn't allowed on this forum, and so is being condescending to other posts because they aren't discussing some small race most never heard of.

i have forgiven you a couple of warnings on this in the past but another post with this kind of content will lead to a warning /ban.
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Old 12-16-12, 18:06
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Hehe, believe if Bruyneel and Armstrong had wanted Contador not to win the Tour too much, he wouldn't have taken it. It could have been very ugly and grotesque surely, but after 2007 it wouldn't have surprised too many people. Yes, atmosphere inside of the team was not for him, but nothing more. In terms of a road work, he had an absolute support.
Except for the stage where he had the flat and only Kloden helped him, in contrast to when Liepheimer got a flat at (Arcalis?) and 4 teammates dropped back to pace him.

What about Verbier, where Armstrong and Kloden actively rode against him? Or the flat stage in the crosswinds where Armstrong rode against him at the end?

EDIT: What about the stage to Le Grand Bornand? Andy is up the road with Alberto (and Kloden?), while Armstrong should have been sitting wheels. Instead, he tries to slow pedal Wiggins and allows Frank Schelck to attack the chasing group and eventually bridge.

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Trolling is an exclusive patrimony of Contador fanboys who write using principle 'I see what I like and I don't what to know anything I dislike'. I'm just a peaceful outsider..
In all honesty, you never ever miss an opportunity to bring your counterpoint to any discussion that gives Contador the smallest amount of credit. Then you quickly blame the opposing perspective on it being inspired by blind fanboyism and rarely any type of reasonable facts or beliefs. It's your MO. It's well documented for all to see.
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Old 12-16-12, 18:35
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Where has my post gone again?

I'm fed up right now. I know I'll be banned from complaining but I don't mind, ban me if you can. I'm better in my position than in yours.

Cheers,

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Old 12-16-12, 18:40
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As for who cares, you could aim that at any thread, so that point is moot. But for the record, given the number of people that voted, clearly quite a few.


But isn't that the crux of the argument. He is the best GT rider but what other races is he the best at? Could be wrong but it seems to me that a lot of people equate best at GTs to best rider.

To be capable of winning multiple grand tours and especially multiple TdF's one has to be a complete rider. No one is questioning Evans versatility but does he excell so much more in any discipline to make up for his huge deficit to Contador in stage racing? You can't argue that Evans doesn't focus on stage races and thus Contador has an unfair advantage in that category but in the most recent incidences where Contador raced for the win or competed seriously in classic/semi-classic events he was 3rd behind Evans at FW, he was instrumental in helping Vino win LBL and he won Milan-Torino.
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