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Old 12-16-12, 15:06
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All those guns aren't going to be of any use when the socialist Canucks stream over the border wearing their cloaks of invisibility!

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/12...#slide=1868711
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Bravo, bravo, bravo!!!

Please share this splendid article with as many people as possible.
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....so here is a story on the gun used as the primary weapon in the recent shootings....

http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-t...nipers-2012-12

....its an absolutely terrible gun for hunting....not really that good for close and personal...but really good for slaughter....so how on earth does a teacher get something like this, and most importantly, why?....

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Indeed, one of the more perversly baffling aspects of the catastrophe: wholesome elementary school teacher by day, Rambo by night. Normaly this is what is considered as a gross role schizophrenia.

And with that child too...

What a country.

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So it looks like idiots in the Democratic party are planning to burn a ton of political capital attempting to ban Demon Assault Rifles instead of burning it on tax reform, health care, regulation of the financial industry, economic stimulus, etc. Brilliant.
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This is a really chilling story by a mother of a mentally ill son, what she has to put up with. He sounds like the kind of kid who could end up as a mass murderer some day.

Just reading it makes me wonder why there aren't even more mass murders in the U.S. I understand that the same day of the Newtown killings, there were plots for similar mass murders in Oklahoma and Indiana, that were fortunately discovered in time. The kid in OK planned to round up all the students in his school into the auditorium, lock the doors, and shoot them like fish in a barrel. And rig the doors with explosives, so when the police came, the whole place would blow up. Apparently the plot was discovered because he needed the help of some students in rounding up the others, and threatened to kill them if they didn't help him.

Good God, how did it come to this?

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I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan -- they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didnít have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

We still donít know whatís wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. Heís been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.
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- Colorado theater shooter, mentally ill (schizophrenic)
- Virginia Tech shooter, mentally ill (selective-mutism, autism?)
- Connecticut shooter, Asperger's, personalty disorder
- Charles Whitman (Texas Tower shooter), brain tumor discovered during autopsy
- Columbine, both kids were taking Luvox, SSRI used for dperession and OCD

Maybe society should put more resources into mental healthcare rather than trying to restrict everyone's rights because of a few crazies.
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- Colorado theater shooter, mentally ill (schizophrenic)
- Virginia Tech shooter, mentally ill (selective-mutism, autism?)
- Connecticut shooter, Asperger's, personalty disorder
- Charles Whitman (Texas Tower shooter), brain tumor discovered during autopsy
- Columbine, both kids were taking Luvox, SSRI used for dperession and OCD

Maybe society should put more resources into mental healthcare rather than trying to restrict everyone's rights because of a few crazies.
Do you not find your defense of gun ownership with that goddamn word 'rights' to be more than just a little at odds with the rest of your political outlook (as expressed here)?
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Interesting little fact: "Australia suffered 13 mass murders between 1981 and 1996. In the 16 years since our gun law reforms: zero."

Obviously the situation and culture is different than Australia, but gun reform done properly does work. It also doesn't mean that those who need a gun for work (i.e. farmers) can't have one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-in-australia/
And the laws here in Australia changed almost immediately after Port Arthur!

This is absolutely the time that politicians in the US should be pushing hard for gun control. Actually, I'm wrong, the right time was after Aurora... or Tuscon... or Fort Hood... or Virginia Tech.... or Columbine.... I suppose at least if they fail to do anything this time there will be another perfect opportunity right around the corner.....

This whole event is so horribly sad and so horribly preventable!
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Do you not find your defense of gun ownership with that goddamn word 'rights' to be more than just a little at odds with the rest of your political outlook (as expressed here)?
Those rights are right there right of the two in the Bill of Rights.

Most of what I have expressed here is disdain of Republicans, but I don't really like Democrats either.

More people die in traffic accidents every week than the last decade plus of mass shootings. Using an incident like this to justify gun control is irrational. It is emotion driven hysteria that ignores the actual level of risk, which infinitesimal compared to other ways of dying.

It is also stupid on the part of the Democrats. The Repubs will dig in their heels, battle lines will be drawn, and the possibility to reach compromises on issues that are actually important will evaporate. This plays right into Republican fear mongering. The Dems might as well propose a national holiday for Karl Marx.
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