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Old 12-17-12, 02:56
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Canadians appreciated Johnson's honesty. After his initial denial he confessed shortly after at the Dublin trials.

Today he is wealthy, well spoken and admired.

Far from an embarrassment. He's very much respected.
Source?

Because last I checked, he was bouncing around living at various relatives, and still persona non grata for most of Canada, who at best thought him a product of the times...
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Old 12-17-12, 03:36
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Maybe we're moving into a personality type differences here, because no sporting action of another Australian is ever going to embarrass me for being from the same country. Most sport bores me to tears, so I have no interest in the sport let alone people involved with the sport.

If Warne is being a twit, that's coz he's a twit.

Curious you say you don't think Canada has ever forgiven Ben Johnson. For embarrasing them?
As i said i don't think the country will grind to a halt if Wiggins is declared a cheat - i do think it will be very embarrassing though.
There's been so much sh*t about Wiggins and Sky being clean, he's just been voted SPOTY and his boss was just given coach of the year etc.. and said again that "they are clean" - if they are lying they HAVE to pay and i think that would be the majority view (even among the Sky fraternity) here as i think it would be in Australia. Everyone likes their team/country to win - but at all costs no!.
Having said this i don't consider cycling like this anyway! It's not cricket or football, i like individual riders, sometimes l like teams but its never down purely nationalistic lines.

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because no sporting action of another Australian is ever going to embarrass me for being from the same country.
Kind of agreed - i wouldn't kill myself over it, I have a number of friends from SA, AUS, NZ & USA these sort of things come up all the time whilst i dont willingly take on the BS for someone that has represented GB (It ain't my fault) I do get caught up in it, so sometimes difficult to be objective.
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Old 12-17-12, 05:48
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Canadians appreciated Johnson's honesty. After his initial denial he confessed shortly after at the Dublin trials.

Today he is wealthy, well spoken and admired.

Far from an embarrassment. He's very much respected.
He confessed and then kept on doping!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Johnson_%28sprinter%29

What's he admired for? He was a "trainer" for Gaddafi's son in football, who then failed a drug test!
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Old 12-17-12, 10:18
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Wiggins praises UCI anti-doping work:

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‘Steps have been taken a long time ago, which is why we’re one of the most successful sports for catching people.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/oth...#ixzz2FIqlgQ2X
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Wiggins praises UCI anti-doping work:


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I’m very fortunate I was in the system. British Cycling supported me. Chris Boardman in my early 20s probably saved me, he taught me to do things the right way.
The title of the article hints at this:

British cycling and Boardman saved me from doping like Armstrong, says Wiggins


The bloodpassport is better than many other sports. Clearly not perfect but compared to the Armstrong era its a start.
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If you bothered to read the article


The title of the article hints at this:

British cycling and Boardman saved me from doping like Armstrong, says Wiggins


You seem to want to give the piece a completely different tone.
I don't care about the article. In that statement (the one I quoted) he clearly suggests that we owe it to the existing anti-doping rules that a guy like Armstrong got caught. That's a false and rather apologetic statement, and indirect support of UCI.
Spin it, though, if you want.
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I don't care about the article. In that statement (the one I quoted) he clearly suggests that we owe it to the existing anti-doping rules that a guy like Armstrong got caught. That's a false and rather apologetic statement, and indirect support of UCI.
Spin it, though, if you want.
No need to. As usual you will read whatever you want into it.
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I don't care about the article. In that statement (the one I quoted) he clearly suggests that we owe it to the existing anti-doping rules that a guy like Armstrong got caught. That's a false and rather apologetic statement, and indirect support of UCI.
Spin it, though, if you want.
Actually, on further reflection I will concede my point. While I do think you are still reading a little to much into it, it does seem to be giving false credit.
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Can I nitpick as well?

Given Brad started racing after the BP was introduced, it's safe to say he was effectively prevented doping like Armstrong regardless of where he came from. Given Brad didn't show much ability on the road pre-2009, it's safe to say, he didn't dope like Armstrong.

However, just as the "I have never tested positive" can be true but not an admission of non-doping, "saved me from doping like Armstrong" can also be true, but not discount *some* doping - possibly even to the limit allowable by the BP, both on the track and more tellingly on the road.

Pretend I am just an Internet forum poster, and not a homicidal, axe-wielding, frothing at the mouth, Wiggins hating, Brit hating, Australian, bone-idle lazy w*nker c*nt. If you dare.
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Can I nitpick as well?

Given Brad started racing after the BP was introduced, it's safe to say he was effectively prevented doping like Armstrong regardless of where he came from. Given Brad didn't show much ability on the road pre-2009, it's safe to say, he didn't dope like Armstrong.
Armstrong also raced after the bloodpassport was introduced thus rendering your pointless observation even less so (If that were possible)

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However, just as the "I have never tested positive" can be true but not an admission of non-doping, "saved me from doping like Armstrong" can also be true, but not discount *some* doping - possibly even to the limit allowable by the BP, both on the track and more tellingly on the road.
Wow, your scientific background is really showing now. You're like Stephen Hawking. Feel free to (re)interpret that
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