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Old 12-17-12, 23:58
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"I am not suggesting that Sally is "the same" as the devoted fans of cycling. I suggest that Sally's loyal support of filthy Lance Armstrong is analogous to a devoted fan's loyal support of filthy pro cycling. I'd define "devoted fan" as a person who spends their hard earned money on pro cycling-sponsored items.

Sally is an active apologist of the filthy sport (she attempts to influence others), while the devoted pro cycling fan is more passive. So, she's "worse," I guess, in an objective moral sense. But both active Sally and the passive fan are still supporting the filthy circus. It's a little bit hypocritical for the devoted fan who buys his Rabobank jersey to throw stones at Sally Jenkins for her defense of Lance Armstrong."

so a person who follows cycling, maybe wants it to be cleaned up ect is "analogous" to Jenkins making quite abit of money being the voice of a liar? Interesting analysis...so I bought a rabo jersey a few years ago and want to see them clean...morally, I am pretty much in the same league as Jenkins? Do you own a road bike? I guess you could say you are supporting the same stuff by even riding the dam* thing via your over the top logic......I don't know man...but you are coming off as really full of S**t...it is much more nuanced than that...

even writing about it at that point and giving attention to any of it via your argument is supporting it...guess as you "follow" cycling you support doping...total BS bud...
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Old 12-18-12, 00:01
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" I knowingly refuse to support professional cycling in any financial way. (I bought the Computrainer before my eyes were opened about the sport)."


This is so ridiculous it hardly bears comment...but at some point I hope you don't need to buy tires...you will be SOL...perhaps folks will give them to you used and your conscience will remain clean...
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Old 12-18-12, 00:56
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"I am not suggesting that Sally is "the same" as the devoted fans of cycling. I suggest that Sally's loyal support of filthy Lance Armstrong is analogous to a devoted fan's loyal support of filthy pro cycling. I'd define "devoted fan" as a person who spends their hard earned money on pro cycling-sponsored items.

Sally is an active apologist of the filthy sport (she attempts to influence others), while the devoted pro cycling fan is more passive. So, she's "worse," I guess, in an objective moral sense. But both active Sally and the passive fan are still supporting the filthy circus. It's a little bit hypocritical for the devoted fan who buys his Rabobank jersey to throw stones at Sally Jenkins for her defense of Lance Armstrong."

so a person who follows cycling, maybe wants it to be cleaned up ect is "analogous" to Jenkins making quite abit of money being the voice of a liar? Interesting analysis...so I bought a rabo jersey a few years ago and want to see them clean...morally, I am pretty much in the same league as Jenkins? Do you own a road bike? I guess you could say you are supporting the same stuff by even riding the dam* thing via your over the top logic......I don't know man...but you are coming off as really full of S**t...it is much more nuanced than that...

even writing about it at that point and giving attention to any of it via your argument is supporting it...guess as you "follow" cycling you support doping...total BS bud...
Thanks for the vulgar insults and the specious rationalizations. Pro cycling doesn't need nuance. Pro cycling needs a 2x4 upside the head. Only a seriously hemmorhaging money loss will EVER engender change among those corrupt good old boys.

There's a time and a place for nuance, and this ain't it when it comes to pro cycling. The sport needs lots of blunt force trauma.
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Old 12-18-12, 15:44
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+1 for the Armstrong supporters. Ex-US Postal Mad Max van Heeswijk was in court today to testify about the Rasmussen case and spoke afterwards about the Armstrong case, struggling to hold back his tears he said: Lance was superman, I thought Lance used doping that nobody else could get their hands on but now that I know he used the same stuff as everybody else I have even more respect for him than before.

Also he never saw him dope and never used anything himself blablabla this is of course after admitting to EPO use a year before then panicked, snatched the tape from the reporter threw it in the bin and used his dog to scare the journalist out of his home.
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Old 12-18-12, 15:47
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+1 for the Armstrong supporters. Ex-US Postal Mad Max van Heeswijk was in court today to testify about the Rasmussen case and spoke afterwards about the Armstrong case, struggling to hold back his tears he said: Lance was superman, I thought Lance used doping that nobody else could get their hands on but now that I know he used the same stuff as everybody else I have even more respect for him than before.

Also he never saw him dope and never used anything himself blablabla this is of course after admitting to EPO use a year before then panicked, snatched the tape from the reporter threw it in the bin and used his dog to scare the journalist out of his home.
Another perfect example of the need for the complete cleansing.....
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Old 12-18-12, 19:43
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"Lance was superman, I thought Lance used doping that nobody else could get their hands on but now that I know he used the same stuff as everybody else I have even more respect for him than before."

you have to wonder where they find these ninnies...Max is hitting new heights when it comes to being a dumb a**...
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Old 12-18-12, 20:02
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"Lance was superman, I thought Lance used doping that nobody else could get their hands on but now that I know he used the same stuff as everybody else I have even more respect for him than before."

you have to wonder where they find these ninnies...Max is hitting new heights when it comes to being a dumb a**...
Hamilton hinted at something similar at certain points in his book... yeah they were "all in" but he mentions a few times that working with LA was a level above how he'd trained previously.
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"Lance was superman, I thought Lance used doping that nobody else could get their hands on but now that I know he used the same stuff as everybody else I have even more respect for him than before."

you have to wonder where they find these ninnies...Max is hitting new heights when it comes to being a dumb a**...
"These ninnies" ARE the pro peloton. Get used to it.
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Old 12-18-12, 20:50
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Sally is deeply invested in the sport. (a) She made boatloads of money from a book about the sport; (b) she reports on the sport in exchange for money; and (c) she is emotionally connected to a disgraced former star of the sport. I don't know how you can reasonably assert that "Sally is not invested in any way with the sport."
No, Sally knows nothing of the sport. She has no investment in it. The only reason I heard of her is she spun Lances tale. She has never ever written about 'the sport', she wouldn't know one end of a bike from the other, she probably thinks Flanders is a guy in The Simpsons.

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I am not suggesting that Sally is "the same" as the devoted fans of cycling. I suggest that Sally's loyal support of filthy Lance Armstrong is analogous to a devoted fan's loyal support of filthy pro cycling. I'd define "devoted fan" as a person who spends their hard earned money on pro cycling-sponsored items.
That's a strange definition. Very strange.

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Sally is an active apologist of the filthy sport (she attempts to influence others), while the devoted pro cycling fan is more passive. So, she's "worse," I guess, in an objective moral sense. But both active Sally and the passive fan are still supporting the filthy circus. It's a little bit hypocritical for the devoted fan who buys his Rabobank jersey to throw stones at Sally Jenkins for her defense of Lance Armstrong.

It all makes for good entertainment, though.
Supporting something and profiting from something are 2 very different points.
I don't wear trade jersey's but even if someone did does not mean they condone what a team does. Every bit of gear I have would have some loose connection to a doper.
The fact you find this 'entertaining' is rather odd. I find people like Jenkins quite appalling.
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Old 12-18-12, 21:40
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David Walsh on CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp...rong-walsh.cnn
apologies if you've seen it already.
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