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Old 12-18-12, 15:37
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Well to be fair I did say probably.
This is the first time I have ever considered my view or beliefs on gun control. I always assumed the subject had been decided done over etc.

The mother who had the weapons was responsible for her and her son's saftey. What was the need for weapons with ammunition to be in her home in such quantities not locked up? I am not sure about the details and I hate to make my opinions based on half of the info.

If I had a child that was unstable mentally, It would cause me to rethink having any weapons around the house. Just me.
not just you. when my father was diagnosed with clinical depression a few years ago, the first thing his dr. said was remove any guns from the house. it's about common sense.
like you i grew up hunting, and while i don't hunt much anymore, i see nothing wrong with those that do. i still love to target shoot, and like a lot people i have no problem with waiting periods and background checks before purchase. i thought this was interesting:

In a Memphis, Tennessee study, 85% of murderers and 75% of murder victims were intoxicated during the murder. A review of 331 American medical examiner (coroner) studies published between 1975 and 1995 found that victims tested positive for alcohol in 29% of suicides, 38.5% of unintentional injury deaths, 39.7% of motor vehicle deaths and 47.1% of homicides. Half of those murdered by drowning were intoxicated at the time, but only 16% of those murdered by strangling or suffocation were intoxicated [ANNALS OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE 33(6):659-668 (1999)]. This could mean that it pays to be able to put up a fight! However, the vast majority of murder victims were killed by gunshot or stabbing/cutting of which 30.6% and 43.0% of the victims were intoxicated, respectively. The higher rate of intoxication for stabbings may indicate a greater impulsiveness for crimes committed with this kind of weapon (grabbing for a handy knife or pair of scissors in a moment of drunken rage).

sounds like it's time for prohibition again

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not just you. when my father was diagnosed with clinical depression a few years ago, the first thing his dr. said was remove any guns from the house. it's about common sense.
like you i grew up hunting, and while i don't hunt much anymore, i see nothing wrong with those that do. i still love to target shoot, and like a lot people i have no problem with waiting periods and background checks before purchase. i thought this was interesting:

In a Memphis, Tennessee study, 85% of murderers and 75% of murder victims were intoxicated during the murder. A review of 331 American medical examiner (coroner) studies published between 1975 and 1995 found that victims tested positive for alcohol in 29% of suicides, 38.5% of unintentional injury deaths, 39.7% of motor vehicle deaths and 47.1% of homicides. Half of those murdered by drowning were intoxicated at the time, but only 16% of those murdered by strangling or suffocation were intoxicated [ANNALS OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE 33(6):659-668 (1999)]. This could mean that it pays to be able to put up a fight! However, the vast majority of murder victims were killed by gunshot or stabbing/cutting of which 30.6% and 43.0% of the victims were intoxicated, respectively. The higher rate of intoxication for stabbings may indicate a greater impulsiveness for crimes committed with this kind of weapon (grabbing for a handy knife or pair of scissors in a moment of drunken rage).

sounds like it's time for prohibition again

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
What are you some socialist - communist or something?

You go after the gunz and beer and you just might get ChrisE all worked up again. He must still be hurt over his last bannination.
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Old 12-18-12, 16:34
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- Colorado theater shooter, mentally ill (schizophrenic)
- Virginia Tech shooter, mentally ill (selective-mutism, autism?)
- Connecticut shooter, Asperger's, personalty disorder
- Charles Whitman (Texas Tower shooter), brain tumor discovered during autopsy
- Columbine, both kids were taking Luvox, SSRI used for dperession and OCD

Maybe society should put more resources into mental healthcare rather than trying to restrict everyone's rights because of a few crazies.
Well, that's something that these killers have in common with each other, but it's much easier to ignore the problem (mental illness, social breakdown, loss of empathy) and go on with the progressive cause of abolishing the old Republic and setting up a new country.
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Well, that's something that these killers have in common with each other, but it's much easier to ignore the problem (mental illness, social breakdown, loss of empathy) and go on with the progressive cause of abolishing the old Republic and setting up a new country.
Not sure why you (and a few others) think that the problem is unrelated to what you characterize as the progressive solution--or why you want to cast it as an opposition. All the issues you describe are socially produced so clearly the old Republic and "old country" aren't fully doing the trick.
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Old 12-18-12, 16:55
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The mental health issue is somewhat tricky and worlds away from being resolved. Much of that is due to a certain willful ignorance in the US that allowed it to proliferate. Never mind the slashing of humanist based treatments and their replacement with pharmaceuticals and simple-minded diagnoses that set in during the 1950s

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/ma...pagewanted=all
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Old 12-18-12, 17:05
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What are you some socialist - communist or something?

You go after the gunz and beer and you just might get ChrisE all worked up again. He must still be hurt over his last bannination.
after work i think i'll grab a 12 pack and 500 rounds for the AR and have some Good Texas Fun.
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I thought Bro deal was being honest and thinking for himself and those are qualities I think are rare these days so I praised him for it even though I dont agree with him.

And yes that was my only contribution to this discussion so far.

I honestly have no idea why you feel the need to insult me for taking a back seat in the discussion.
I did not know you were Polish. I should have known when you were discussing the fate of Poland during and after the second world war.....which was a long time ago on this message board.

But hey sorry that the USA done you guys wrong after the war.

I agree with your comments regarding everyone should have their own decisions.
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Old 12-18-12, 17:17
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after work i think i'll grab a 12 pack and 500 rounds for the AR and have some Good Texas Fun.
I wish for a good Houston Texas December evening!

Snowed 25cm over the weekend. Snowing off and on all day today! Freezing rain etc.

By the way check this pic out. About 300 clicks south of "the rock" in the grand banks....

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