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Old 12-19-12, 03:34
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Brailsford must have employed the patented Bruyneel "look 'em in the eye" technique for detecting dopers. Apparently it did not work any better for Brailsford than it did for Bruyneel.
Have you ever seen Dave Bruyneel and Johan Brailsford in the same room?
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Steve Peters is from the prison system, isn't he? Pretty sure they ran all these riders past Steve as part of the hiring process.
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well **** me. Interviews like these, imo, leave little room for doubt:
1. Sky never went for clean cycling.
2. JV can never really genuinely have believed Sky are clean, even though that's what he's been telling us.
1+2=3. We are still being kept for fools.

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That Dave Brailsford sure has his finger on the pulse. No pulling the wool over his eyes!
I still wonder how Walsh allowed JV to pull wool over his eyes.

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Old 12-19-12, 12:23
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Steve Peters is from the prison system, isn't he? Pretty sure they ran all these riders past Steve as part of the hiring process.
He was a criminology and psychopathy specialist by trade I think - cue laughter - pretty sure he worked in one of the big HSH, Rampton, I think

sorry, HSH=high security hospitals

Peters is a pretty clever guy, but if Brailsford was using him as some sort of human lie detector, that's just looking for mockery.

I do wonder if Peters was 'tasked' more to look into 'current behavior' as opposed to past behaviour - but that's pure conjecture. Bottom line, Sky clearly were far too lax/trusting/naive/cynical (delete as appropriate) in their early hiring policies.

BTW Froome has a short interview in the Times yesterday - usual internecine guff, but one interesting line that the ZTP was "the sponsor's policy" - rather lends credence to the idea that after a bad first season, Brailsford was instructed to "loosen" the ZTP from on high - to Garmin-ize the policy as it were - and then post USADA, again the sponsors have come down like a tonne of bricks. It would explain the spectacularly bad pr skills and the softly, softly way of getting the 'tainted' out.
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I wanted to follow up on talks we had about doping 20+ yrs ago.
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Seems Michael Barry has a lot to answer for as an enforcer of omerta.

Here's Wiggins explaining his past criticisms of Landis:

As for Michael Barry, Wiggins said that he never thought he was part of a doping culture and said that his own stance on Landis had been informed by the aspersions Barry cast on the American’s mental state.

“You get asked about Floyd and you feel like you’re in a gang and you say what everyone in the gang is saying. You become part of that, because it’s easier. A lot of people look really stupid now, as do some of the comments I made,” Wiggins said.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigg...n-spit-into-it

Barry has always tried to portray himself as an intelligent observer of the peloton, a philosopher with a camera. Seems he's just an extension of the Armstrong smear tactics campaign. When will we see an article on slander and its applications in pro cycling in his pretentiously titled blog "Le Metier"?
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Seems Michael Barry has a lot to answer for as an enforcer of omerta.

Here's Wiggins explaining his past criticisms of Landis:

As for Michael Barry, Wiggins said that he never thought he was part of a doping culture and said that his own stance on Landis had been informed by the aspersions Barry cast on the American’s mental state.

“You get asked about Floyd and you feel like you’re in a gang and you say what everyone in the gang is saying. You become part of that, because it’s easier. A lot of people look really stupid now, as do some of the comments I made,” Wiggins said.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wigg...n-spit-into-it

Barry has always tried to portray himself as an intelligent observer of the peloton, a philosopher with a camera. Seems he's just an extension of the Armstrong smear tactics campaign. When will we see an article on slander and its applications in pro cycling in his pretentiously titled blog "Le Metier"?
Flogging off his book "Inside the Postal Bus". Barry is all BS. Hardly an intelligent observer.
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“You get asked about Floyd and you feel like you’re in a gang and you say what everyone in the gang is saying. You become part of that, because it’s easier. A lot of people look really stupid now, as do some of the comments I made,” Wiggins said.[/I]

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Flogging off his book "Inside the Postal Bus". Barry is all BS. Hardly an intelligent observer.
Maybe he'll do a new edition with all the guys hanging out in the bus with all the blood bags hanging out of the ceiling
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Seems Michael Barry has a lot to answer for as an enforcer of omerta....

Barry has always tried to portray himself as an intelligent observer of the peloton, a philosopher with a camera. Seems he's just an extension of the Armstrong smear tactics campaign. When will we see an article on slander and its applications in pro cycling in his pretentiously titled blog "Le Metier"?
That leapt right out at me, too. Nothing, but nothing, makes me fell as much of a chump as the credit and enthusiasm I once had for Barry. I could tell Armstrong was a bully from the get-go, doped or clean--I was never going to be a fan. Barry was the one I identified with, the clean journeyman, the insider with the outsider's observing eye.

Damn, but I'm a rube.

I do have to give Wiggins backhanded props, though--for a guy who never seemed overly cursed with self awareness, that was a succinct and sharply observed self-indictment he just gave.
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