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Old 12-20-12, 18:29
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A glimmer of hope, perhaps?

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Are you really saying that every day in the US 2740 crimes are stopped because private citizen good guys out draw the criminal bad guys?

Probably that many times in Chicago alone.

* Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.
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Old 12-20-12, 18:34
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A glimmer of hope, perhaps?


I wonder if the search hits are going up for "help with mental illness?"

Probably not.
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Old 12-20-12, 18:48
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Are you really saying that every day in the US 2740 crimes are stopped because private citizen good guys out draw the criminal bad guys?
Yes. That's what he's saying. The "millions" nonsense came from one study that suggested guns were used in self-defense 2.5 million times annually - once every 13 seconds, which is absurd. But of course the NRA and the gunfreaks jumped all over it and continue to cling to it, even though the study was thoroughly debunked.

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Finally, the 2.5 million figure would lead us to conclude that, in a serious crime, the victim is three to four times more likely than the offender to have and use a gun. Although the criminal determines when and where a crime occurs, although pro-gun advocates claim that criminals can always get guns, although few potential victims carry guns away from home, the criminal, according to K- G, is usually outgunned by the individual he is trying to assault, burglarize, rob or rape.
Even government stats show that such incidences only occur about 100,000 times per year, and that may be an overestimate as well.

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Government figures from the National Survey of Criminal Victimization suggest 100,000 uses a year of guns in self-defense against crime, the vast majority of these uses being the display of weapons to deter or dissuade...the FBI counted an average of 213 justified firearm homicides per year over the period 2005-2010. If the figure of 2.5 million defensive gun uses were any way close to accurate, it would imply that brandishing a gun in self-defense led to a fatality only 0.00852% of the time. That seems almost miraculously low.
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Old 12-20-12, 18:53
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Which illustrates why it's difficult to have a meaningful conversation with you and the pure ideologues who think like you.

You have an agenda and will completely ignore everything else including common sense.

You're an anti-gun freak just as dangerous as the pro gun freaks. No middle ground.





This crap is so ingrained in you I don't even think you are aware of it. It's just who you are.
Sorry dude, but you have a very bad habit of getting sucked into the conservative alternate-reality bubble. We're just trying to bring you back to earth.

btw how'd those Romney polls work out for you?
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Old 12-20-12, 18:59
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Yes. That's what he's saying. The "millions" nonsense came from one study that suggested guns were used in self-defense 2.5 million times annually - once every 13 seconds, which is absurd. But of course the NRA and the gunfreaks jumped all over it and continue to cling to it, even though the study was thoroughly debunked.

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/hemenway1.htm

Even government stats show that such incidences only occur about 100,000 times per year, and that may be an overestimate as well.
Wild discrepancies in numbers might lead an agenda-less person to conclude we really don't effing know, do we?

You believe it's zero, my common sense tells me you are full of it.
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Sorry dude, but you have a very bad habit of getting sucked into the conservative alternate-reality bubble. We're just trying to bring you back to earth.

btw how'd those Romney polls work out for you?
Nope. I have increasingly little tolerance for your epic bull****.
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This is way beyond completely full of ****.
If it is so full of crap why is it that the US which leads the world in gun ownership also leads the world in gun deaths?

Yay, USA number 1!
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If it is so full of crap why is it that the US which leads the world in gun ownership also leads the world in gun deaths?

Yay, USA number 1!


Velo is full of crap when he says;

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Self-defense? Fiction. Almost never happens.
Even from his own numbers this is not true.

Don't forget to take out the gun suicides from your gun death numbers.
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i glanced through the majority of the posts dedicated to the recent massacre of kids in america, and, amazingly almost all discuss only one side of the issue - the pros and cons of the gun control legislature. perhaps the quote above is the first (or the first one that grabbed my attention) that attempts to discuss the other side of the coin - attitudes and motives


i personally never cared to own a firearm despite growing up in the environment where at least one firearm was owned by many of our neighbours.

it would sound really weird if someone in our village said they bought it out of self-defence... not saying it was idyllic and we never heard of gun-related crimes, but, for the most part, people did not feel threatened by each other. firearms where for sport, recreation, hunting....

it is this american paradigm of guns for self-defence i don't get and see as one part of the problem. granted, it is not a uniquely american 'thing' but the scale is mind-bugging.

the hundreds of thousands of young men infected by war scenes and rotated from several wars america constanly waging, don't add to the healthy picture.
i am sure the absolute majority of the young solders are decent guys who don't contemplate crimes. but i wonder if increased incident of mass shootings is entirely devoid of the consideration..
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Are you saying that the US military is the reason for the mass murders?
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